If they are going to have sex......

[aloha918]

just a thought......

[Melchisedec]

Depends on whether they are ready for a child or not. If not. I'd say yes. If they are ready for children. Id say no. If a couple needs help with this decision than maybe they arent mature enough to handle sex . Period.

[Cam42]

I would counsel them to abstain. They are acting in a way that is an abomination to the sancitity of marriage.

I would not condone their action of using contraception, but I would also challenge their premise as to why they would be having sex to begin with.

Cam

[burnsspivey]

I'd even give them some condoms, if they wanted. I offered to buy them for my younger brother when he was afraid that my dad would find out. *L* He had a reason to be afraid -- my dad knows everyone in our hometown.

I don't want my little brother getting knocked up at his age. I'd rather drive his girlfriend to PP for her bc (as awkward as that would be) than know I could have done more and didn't.

Then again, I'm not catholic, I'm childfree, and I'm having an IUD put in this week. Sweet, sweet protection for 5 years.

If there were any doubt as to my sex, I think this should clear it up.

Edited March 22, 2005 by burnsspivey

[jasJis]

Using contraception would compound and already grave sin.
Not using contraception could cause other innocents to suffer from their sin.
I would do nothing to encourage them having sex or act blase' about it. Tough call. I didn't vote.

[corban711]

i would not ask them to use condoms or help them to obtain them. since contraception is clearly against Church teaching there is no way i could counsel someone to use it. besides that, to encourage the use of condoms would be to encourage their pre-marital sex which i also would not support.

[Guest Eremite]

Let's apply this logic to other areas of life.

"Hey kids, don't shoot up heroin, but if you do, here are some nice clean needles, so you don't contract AIDS"

"Hey terrorists, don't blow up my city, but if you do, here are some small explosives, so you don't use nuclear bombs instead"

Et Cetera, Et Cetera, ad infinitum. It is flawed logic, to say the least.

Edited March 22, 2005 by Eremite

[StPiusVPrayForUs]

Telling them to use contraception or to have relations without the intent of pro-creation outside of marraige is mortal sin.

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Mar 22 2005, 01:11 PM'] Let's apply this logic to other areas of life.

"Hey kids, don't shoot up heroin, but if you do, here are some nice clean needles, so you don't contract AIDS"

"Hey terrorists, don't blow up my city, but if you do, here are some small explosives, so you don't use nuclear bombs instead"

Et Cetera, Et Cetera, ad infinitum. It is flawed logic, to say the least. [/quote]
Thats not logic. Thats stupidity.

[Paphnutius]

Not if you believe that fornication is objectively wrong as heroin and terrorism is...

[ilovechrist]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Mar 22 2005, 01:43 PM'] Thats not logic. Thats stupidity. [/quote]
illogical, stupidity...

same thing.

[Melchisedec]

another dead end conversation.

[Guest Eremite]

[quote]Thats not logic. Thats stupidity. [/quote]

I agree completely. The proposition that you can give someone the means to commit moral evil (contraception, needles, bombs) to prevent some negative consequence (pregnancy, AIDS, nuclear war) is illogical stupidity.

Edited March 22, 2005 by Eremite

[Melchisedec]

You think that sex without the intent to create life is morally evil. I dont. To me saying a condom is like an explosive device is absolutely absurd. But thats where we differ.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Mar 22 2005, 08:11 PM'] "Hey kids, don't shoot up heroin, but if you do, here are some nice clean needles, so you don't contract AIDS" [/quote]
The flip-side is that by not giving them any clean needles at all, and someone becoming seriously injured from withdrawal which you could have prevented, means that this is not clear-cut.

Linking the examples in the way you did makes even less sense when it's pointed out that one example involves someone enslaved to a substance and the other is not anything of the sort.

Edited March 22, 2005 by RandomProddy

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Mar 22 2005, 03:37 PM'] The flip-side is that by not giving them any clean needles at all, and someone becoming seriously injured from withdrawal which you could have prevented, means that this is not clear-cut. [/quote]
How dare they promote the prevention of AIDS.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Mar 22 2005, 10:38 PM'] How dare they promote the prevention of AIDS. [/quote]
Whilst I see your point, that's not really the issue I had in mind. The thing that annoyed me was the sanctimonius "thou shan't do this.." when the person in question clearly has no clue.

[RandomProddy]

[quote name='Eremite' date='Mar 22 2005, 10:26 PM'] The proposition that you can give someone the means to commit moral evil (contraception, needles, bombs) to prevent some negative consequence (pregnancy, AIDS, nuclear war) is illogical stupidity. [/quote]
Ok, how about this for an example.

You see a beggar on the street, clearly not looking his best. Knowing that, statistically, 80% of money from people going to beggars on the street goes on drugs, do you give him money or not?

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='RandomProddy' date='Mar 22 2005, 03:43 PM'] Ok, how about this for an example.

You see a beggar on the street, clearly not looking his best. Knowing that, statistically, 80% of money from people going to beggars on the street goes on drugs, do you give him money or not? [/quote]
I would call the cops.

[aloha918]

i dont think that a lot of you got what i was saying in this poll

my line of thinking was that if they had sex they might get pregnant which could lead to abortion, single motherhood...etc.

obviously i would tell them not to have sex ingeneral.....but what i was saying in the poll was that they had already made up their mind to have sex......and you wouldnt be able to change their mind........