Cam42 Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I would be willing to bet that the liberals who hate, hate, hate Latin are rueing the funeral Mass. If Latin doesn't hold pride of place and the verancular is the norm, why oh why is the funeral Mass in Latin and not Italian? Perhaps it is another misconception perpetrated by the liberals? Methinks that it is. Cam Yay Latin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jasJis Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 I personally am no huge fan of the entirely Latin Mass. And yes, I'm old enough to have been an alcolyte for the Latin Masses. But I wish we would do at least some of the prayers in Latin for [u]every[/u] Mass. Like the Gloria or the Consencration Prayers, etc. My parish often sings or prays the Lamb of God (Angus Dei) in latin. Everyone knows what misirere nobis means. We can have Latin in small doses at every mass and have vernacular too. I don't know why people get so worked up over this and want all or nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Latin's used at many (most) of the major Masses at St. Peter's. I've even seen an American Cardinal celebrate in Latin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benedict Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Apr 8 2005, 09:14 AM'] If Latin doesn't hold pride of place and the verancular is the norm, why oh why is the funeral Mass in Latin and not Italian? [/quote] Because the funeral mass was held in Vatican City and not Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 (edited) Benedict, I believe he was being rhetorical. Edited April 8, 2005 by jaime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 What makes more sense? The normative mass being in 185 languages for 185 different peoples of the Universal Church, or the mass being in ONE language, accessible to all, common to all, for all 185 peoples of the Universal Church? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q the Ninja Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 You know, I wanna see someone who thinks the Mass should be always and completely in the vernacular go to Poland...or better yet, Greece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 Exactamundo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 It took a lot of patience on Cam's part, but I am now among the converted. Latin should be back in the Mass Iway elievebay inway Odgay ethay Atherfay Almightyway, Akermay ofway eavenhay andway earthway. Andway inway Esusjay Istchray ishay onlyway Onsay ourway Ordlay ; owhay asway onceivedcay ybay ethay Olyhay Ostghay, ornbay ofway ethay Irginvay Arymay, ufferedsay underway Ontiuspay Ilatepay, asway ucifiedcray, eadday, andway uriedbay; ehay escendedday intoway ellhay; ethay irdthay ayday ehay oseray againway omfray ethay eadday; ehay ascendedway intoway eavenhay , andway ittethsay onway ethay ightray andhay ofway Odgay ethay Atherfay Almightyway; omfray encethay ehay allshay omecay otay udgejay ethay ickquay andway ethay eadday. Iway elievebay inway ethay Olyhay Ostghay; ethay olyhay atholiccay Urchchay; ethay ommunioncay ofway aintssay; ethay orgivenessfay ofway inssay; ethay esurrectionray ofway ethay odybay; andway ethay ifelay everlastingway. AMENWAY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 #&%$#&!!!!!! Stupid wrong translator! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
God Conquers Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Apr 8 2005, 02:57 PM'] It took a lot of patience on Cam's part, but I am now among the converted. Latin should be back in the Mass Iway elievebay inway Odgay ethay Atherfay Almightyway, Akermay ofway eavenhay andway earthway. Andway inway Esusjay Istchray ishay onlyway Onsay ourway Ordlay ; owhay asway onceivedcay ybay ethay Olyhay Ostghay, ornbay ofway ethay Irginvay Arymay, ufferedsay underway Ontiuspay Ilatepay, asway ucifiedcray, eadday, andway uriedbay; ehay escendedday intoway ellhay; ethay irdthay ayday ehay oseray againway omfray ethay eadday; ehay ascendedway intoway eavenhay , andway ittethsay onway ethay ightray andhay ofway Odgay ethay Atherfay Almightyway; omfray encethay ehay allshay omecay otay udgejay ethay ickquay andway ethay eadday. Iway elievebay inway ethay Olyhay Ostghay; ethay olyhay atholiccay Urchchay; ethay ommunioncay ofway aintssay; ethay orgivenessfay ofway inssay; ethay esurrectionray ofway ethay odybay; andway ethay ifelay everlastingway. AMENWAY. [/quote] Looks right to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Apr 8 2005, 02:57 PM']It took a lot of patience on Cam's part, but I am now among the converted. Latin should be back in the Mass Iway elievebay inway Odgay ethay Atherfay Almightyway, Akermay ofway eavenhay andway earthway. Andway inway Esusjay Istchray ishay onlyway Onsay ourway Ordlay ; owhay asway onceivedcay ybay ethay Olyhay Ostghay, ornbay ofway ethay Irginvay Arymay, ufferedsay underway Ontiuspay Ilatepay, asway ucifiedcray, eadday, andway uriedbay; ehay escendedday intoway ellhay; ethay irdthay ayday ehay oseray againway omfray ethay eadday; ehay ascendedway intoway eavenhay , andway ittethsay onway ethay ightray andhay ofway Odgay ethay Atherfay Almightyway; omfray encethay ehay allshay omecay otay udgejay ethay ickquay andway ethay eadday. Iway elievebay inway ethay Olyhay Ostghay; ethay olyhay atholiccay Urchchay; ethay ommunioncay ofway aintssay; ethay orgivenessfay ofway inssay; ethay esurrectionray ofway ethay odybay; andway ethay ifelay everlastingway. AMENWAY.[/quote] No, no, no.....it should be.... CREDO in unum Deum, Patrem omnipotentem, factorem coeli et terrae, visibilium omnium et invisibilium. Et in unum Dominum Jesum Christum, Filium Dei unigenitum. Et ex Patre natum ante omnia saecula. Deum de Deo, lumen de lumine, Deum verum de Deo vero. Genitum, non factum, consubstantialem Patri: per quem omnia facta sunt. Qui propter nos homines, et propter nostram salutem descendit de caelis. ET INCARNATUS EST DE SPIRITU SANCTO EX MARIA VIRGINE: ET HOMO FACTUS EST. Crucifixus etiam pro nobis; sub Pontio Pilato passus, et sepultus est. Et resurrexit tertia die, secundum Scripturas. Et ascendit in coelum: sedet ad dexteram Patris. Et iterum venturus est cum gloria judicare vivos et mortuos: cujus regni non erit finis. Et in Spiritum Sanctum, Dominum et vivificantem: qui ex Patre Filioque procedit. Qui cum Patre, et Filio simul adoratur et conglorificatur: qui locutus est per Prophetas. Et unam, sanctam, catholicam et apostolicam Ecclesiam. Confiteor unum baptisma in remissionem peccatorum. Et exspecto resurrectionem mortuorum. Et vitam ventura saeculi. Amen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted April 8, 2005 Share Posted April 8, 2005 ???? Didn't I just say that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted April 8, 2005 Author Share Posted April 8, 2005 Ooops. you did....sorry Cam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
argent_paladin Posted April 9, 2005 Share Posted April 9, 2005 The Church tells us that all the faithful should learn the mass responsories in Latin. It is not that hard. I think most of it should be in English most of the time, but we should all be comfortable with the mass parts in latin so that one these occassions where multiple language groups come together, we can all use latin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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