I cant get to Mass today

[Noel's angel]

No, as long as you tried your best to get there and had absolutely NO way of going- it is fine

[curtins]

well see the thing is-

We were gonna go to cape cod-
then my mom got sick yesterday and we didnt know if we were gonna go or not. I got up at like 930 and found out that only my dad was going to the cape- he didnt end up leaving till 12 so he could've taken me to 1030 but I had no idea what time he was leaving and I thought he was leaving earlier. I think my mom made the determination that she wasnt feeling well enough to go at about 1045 the last mass was 12- so I had no way of going. theres like a brasillian mass tonight but again I have no way of going. So I think its like if you want to go and you had the intention of going but you cant then its excusable right?
but If you dont want to go and dont have the intention of going and even if you could go you dont- then thats a sin right?

[Noel's angel]

yes, if you really intended in going but cicumstances were such that you could not attend, then it is ok.

[Noel's angel]

if it is really bothering you, then go to Confession anyway, but it isn't necessary in this case as you fully intended to go but certain things happened which were beyond your control.

[curtins]

its not really bugging me its just i wanted to make sure

[Noel's angel]

yeah, your ok, you tried to go and you really wanted to go, so it is fine

[curtins]

cool-

ill spend some extra time in prayer and reading the Bible tonight-

what is Spiritual Communion?

[Noel's angel]

[url="http://www.kensmen.com/catholic/TLMmissingmass.html"]Spiritual Communion[/url]

that should explain it for ya

[Cam42]

[quote name='curtins' date='Apr 17 2005, 02:50 PM'] well see the thing is-

We were gonna go to cape cod-
then my mom got sick yesterday and we didnt know if we were gonna go or not. I got up at like 930 and found out that only my dad was going to the cape- he didnt end up leaving till 12 so he could've taken me to 1030 but I had no idea what time he was leaving and I thought he was leaving earlier. I think my mom made the determination that she wasnt feeling well enough to go at about 1045 the last mass was 12- so I had no way of going. theres like a brasillian mass tonight but again I have no way of going. So I think its like if you want to go and you had the intention of going but you cant then its excusable right?
but If you dont want to go and dont have the intention of going and even if you could go you dont- then thats a sin right? [/quote]
Not to be a total stick in the mud about about this, but you still need to go to confession. Look at what is said....as Eremite put it from the Catechism:

[quote]The Sunday Eucharist is the foundation and confirmation of all Christian practice. For this reason the faithful are obliged to participate in the Eucharist on days of obligation, unless excused for a serious reason (for example, illness, the care of infants) or dispensed by their own pastor. Those who deliberately fail in this obligation commit a grave sin.  (CCC 2181)[/quote]

You said that you could have gone to the 10:30am. Therefore there is now a dubium. If you were asking me from a dialectical point of view, I would say that you need to go to confession and seek the priest's counselling. He will determine what is the best course of action, whether it be despensation or absolution. There was ample time to request to be taken to Mass.

The evidence is thus: You were up in time to go to Mass, your father wasn't leaving until later, you weren't sure when he was leaving....your mom didn't say anything about being sick until after the 10:30 Mass had determined how ill she was, the situation is not covered.

You had the obligation and the opportunity, but did not go, assuming that you could make it later. That isn't good enough to give a clear preponderance of the evidence or create reasonable doubt as to the ability to go to Mass. Now, with that being said, if Father chooses to dispense you then it is all good, but you can't (just like I can't) make that determination on my own. I would suggest going to confession and getting the proper counselling.

Cam

[Philippe]

you had the intent of going

there is no reason to go to confession because there is no sin as long as you tried your best to go. Cam, things happen and confusion happens and it just ended up being for the worst.

[Fidei Defensor]

Go to confession anyways. Then you will be sure you are not in sin

[Philippe]

how can you sin by accident?!?!?!

[Brother Adam]

While I am not a huge fan of Cam , When there is doubt, it is better to go.

Philippe, of the requirements of mortal sin, one must have full knowledge and full consent. There are however sins of ommission. If more could have been done to ensure he could have been at mass, but neglected to do more, then it could be a sin of omission. As Cam said, he should go and talk to the priest and the priest can make the correct judgement.

[Cam42]

[quote name='Philippe' date='Apr 17 2005, 04:06 PM'] you had the intent of going

there is no reason to go to confession because there is no sin as long as you tried your best to go. Cam, things happen and confusion happens and it just ended up being for the worst. [/quote]
Yes, things happen, but all of this seems like a ton of justification for not making it to Mass....all I am saying is get dispensation or absolution.

Perhaps if I put it this way, don't go to confession, but call Father on the phone and see what he says. I almost always cut to the chase. Going to confession is the safe bet.

Incidentally, just because you go into the confessional doesn't necessarily mean that on is in a state of sin. Part of the confessional is to get counselling. That can be a good thing. As I ahve said, confession is never a bad thing.

If you read just what I am saying, I am saying go to confession and Father will decide the best course. I think that you assume that I am saying that it is a sin.

Incidentally one can sin "on accident." It is called a venial sin.
[quote]One commits venial sin when, in a less serious matter, he does not observe the standard prescribed by the moral law, or when he disobeys the moral law in a grave matter, but without full knowledge or without complete consent. (CCC 1862)[/quote]

Notice the without full knowledge or complete consent?

Not that I am assuming that on anyone, but it is a clarificaiton that one can sin on accident.

Cam

[Fidei Defensor]

How about we just stop. We are fighting over someone elses sin/non sin. Leave it up to them.

Catholic v.s. Catholic = :nono: remember?

[Cam42]

[quote name='fidei defensor' date='Apr 17 2005, 04:56 PM'] How about we just stop. We are fighting over someone elses sin/non sin. Leave it up to them.

Catholic v.s. Catholic = :nono: remember? [/quote]
Considering that curtins asked.....we were only obliging....

And this isn't Catholic v. Catholic

[JP2Iloveyou]

Cam, with all due respect, it IS NONE OF YOUR beaver dam BUSINESS. I don't care if I'm not a moderator or if I get kicked off of Phatmass for saying this, but you have NO RIGHT, none, WHATSOEVER, to determine the state of another person's soul. That is between that person, God, and his spiritual director/confessor. How dare you accuse someone of being in a state of mortal sin without even knowing all of the facts! No, he should not confess this. He can inquire about it to the priest, and if the priest determines that there is sin there, then he can confess it. However, Confession is for the forgiveness of sin and I see no reason to confess something that isn't a sin. I must say, I was shocked and appalled at reading this thread. Of course deliberately missing Sunday Mass is mortally sinful, but until you know all of the facts, it is wise to keep your mouth shut.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote]Cam, with all due respect, it IS NONE OF YOUR beaver dam BUSINESS. I don't care if I'm not a moderator or if I get kicked off of Phatmass for saying this, but you have NO RIGHT, none, WHATSOEVER, to determine the state of another person's soul. That is between that person, God, and his spiritual director/confessor. How dare you accuse someone of being in a state of mortal sin without even knowing all of the facts! No, he should not confess this. He can inquire about it to the priest, and if the priest determines that there is sin there, then he can confess it. However, Confession is for the forgiveness of sin and I see no reason to confess something that isn't a sin. I must say, I was shocked and appalled at reading this thread. Of course deliberately missing Sunday Mass is mortally sinful, but until you know all of the facts, it is wise to keep your mouth shut. [/quote]

please... we must end Catholic on Catholic Violence... for John Paul II.

All Cam said was that he should ask his priest if it was a Mortal sin or not. Not a big thing.

[JP2Iloveyou]

It is a big thing. In his original post he said he should go to Confession before receiving again. That implies that he judged him to be in a state of mortal sin, which we have no right to do, none at all. It is not true charity to not debate this just because it involves Catholics. True charity is pointing out errors when they occur.

[Guest Eremite]

Deep breath everyone. Say it with me:

Serenity now.

-_-