Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2005 Posted April 17, 2005 [quote]It is not true charity to not debate this just because it involves Catholics. True charity is pointing out errors when they occur[/quote] I think that is what Cam was doing.
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 17, 2005 Posted April 17, 2005 No. What Cam did was accuse a person of being in a state of mortal sin. There is a big difference between fraternally correcting someone and accusing them of being spiritually dead.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2005 Posted April 17, 2005 bieng in a state of Mortal sin is not spiritual death. it is a heinous sin that deprives the soul of sanctifying grace and causes damnation if unpardoned at the time of death.
Guest Eremite Posted April 17, 2005 Posted April 17, 2005 JP2Iloveyou, I don't think Cam intended to judged Curtin's soul. He just assumed the particulars of the situation, and let him know that (in his estimation) he had violated divine law. I didn't assume the same particulars as Cam, but I didn't think what he said was anything malicious. Let's all calm down.
Fidei Defensor Posted April 17, 2005 Posted April 17, 2005 Told you. Should have listened and just stopped. Please. Stop. Peace. We are going to get a new Pope soon. We want happy. I want happy. I DEMAND HAPPY.
JP2Iloveyou Posted April 17, 2005 Posted April 17, 2005 which is synonomous with spiritual death. When in a state of mortal sin, your soul is dead, figuratively speaking, but also literally, because if you died in that state you would be banished for eternity to hell. If being in a state of mortal sin is not spiritual death, then I don't know what is. I am done debating this. I have to get some work done.
Fidei Defensor Posted April 17, 2005 Posted April 17, 2005 Ok kiddos i think we got our points across? Its one thing to offer advice about whether its a sin.. But its another to fight over someone's personal business. Please no more. Both sides have talked. Now let curtins decide.
Lil Red Posted April 17, 2005 Posted April 17, 2005 [quote name='JP2Iloveyou' date='Apr 17 2005, 05:34 PM'] which is synonomous with spiritual death. When in a state of mortal sin, your soul is dead, figuratively speaking, but also literally, because if you died in that state you would be banished for eternity to hell. If being in a state of mortal sin is not spiritual death, then I don't know what is. I am done debating this. I have to get some work done. [/quote] i think you're overreacting. from one of cam's posts: [quote]Incidentally, just because you go into the confessional doesn't necessarily mean that on is in a state of sin. Part of the confessional is to get counselling. That can be a good thing. As I ahve said, confession is never a bad thing. If you read just what I am saying, I am saying go to confession and Father will decide the best course. I think that you assume that I am saying that it is a sin.[/quote] cam is basically saying, "check with your priest. explain it to him. it's better than asking people on phatmass who don't know the particulars and may tell you one thing only to have it be wrong." cam kept saying, check with your priest.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted April 17, 2005 Posted April 17, 2005 so... anyone want to make a reply on my thread about Scapulars... I know you want to
Carnanc Posted April 18, 2005 Posted April 18, 2005 well, I have asked several questions like this on different Catholic forums to help me clear up issues such as this and have very often found my question to be based in definite scrupulosity. I'm not saying that is the case here, but I think our careful discussion of this issue is important. I agree with Cam about the possibility of doubt or I guess dubium here, but I think we need to make sure we don't take have this be a cause for scrupulosity. Definitly, when in doubt it is proper to go to Confession and recieve the advise or absolution, but I know there also times when doubt does not demand a confession as is the case with scrupulosity.
curtins Posted April 18, 2005 Author Posted April 18, 2005 (edited) woah sorry didnt mean to make a huge war over this ill hit the Confessional this saturday just to make sure- but if I die before then God knows I was gonna go and I wasnt even sure if it was a sin or not right? oh btw- I can still make a Spiritual Communion rihgt? Edited April 18, 2005 by curtins
rachael Posted April 18, 2005 Posted April 18, 2005 (edited) nevermind Edited April 18, 2005 by rachael
Ash Wednesday Posted April 18, 2005 Posted April 18, 2005 What is a "dubium"? Curtins, by all means, you most certainly can take a spiritual communion. God would love that, and he does know where your heart is. I agree with the general consensus to talk to the priest about the situation since there are questions.
Cam42 Posted April 18, 2005 Posted April 18, 2005 A dubium is a situation in which a doubt arises. It is the latin root for dubious. Cam
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