Ten Myths about Priestly Pedophilia

[Jaime]

Thank you Socrates.

I think homosexuals have enough on their plate without having "likely to be a pedophile" added unjustly.

If the intent of the debate is whether or not men with homosexual attractions should be allowed to be priests.. well that's a different subject entirely.

[crusader1234]

Thank you to hot stuff to enforcing the need for clarity

Thank you to Socrates for clarifying

The only question I have is where do we get the information that most of the children involved were adolescent teens? Most of the cases i had heard of involved children under the age of 11 or 12 at the oldest... Most of the 'adolescents' involved stated that it began when they were pre-pubescent...

[Jaime]

This is from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.

-- An overwhelming majority of the victims, 81 percent, were males. The most vulnerable were boys aged 11 to 14, representing more than 40 percent of the victims. This goes against the trend in the general U.S. society where the main problem is men abusing girls.
-- A majority of the victims were post-pubescent adolescents with a small percentage of the priests accused of abusing children who had not reached puberty.
-- Most of the accused committed a variety of sex acts involving serious sexual offenses.
-- The most frequent context for abuse was a social event and many priests socialized with the families of victims.
-- Abuses occurred in a variety of places with the most common being the residence of the priest.

[crusader1234]

Interesting. Thanks.

[Monoxide]

Let me link homosexuality to pedophilia for you..

Police, judicial, and treatment records suggest that almost all pedophiles are male, and about two-thirds of them are mainly heterosexual.

-Pedophilia. Harvard Mental Health Letter, Jan2004, Vol. 20 Issue 7, p1, 4p

Lets use the generic 'stat' for homosexuality in humanity. 10%? We all know in reality that it is less than 2%, as even in liberal Canada the homosexual population is less than 2% (1.73%? Stats Can will tell the answer!)

Lets look at the excerpt from the Harvard Study:

2 out of every 3 pedophiles are heterosexual.
Obviously this means that
1 out of every 3 pedophiles is a homosexual.

if 10% of population is gay..

1 out of every 10 males will be homosexual.
and
9 out of every 10 males will be heterosexual.

...double-take....

if 1 out of 10 males are homosexual,
and 1 out of 3 pedophiles are homosexual...

If you dont see it now ill explain it further...

Homosexuals are an obvious minority in todays society. (Say 1 in 50 men are gay). Lets get a room of 50 male pedophiles. According to society, 1 of these pedophiles should be gay. According the the Harvard Study, 17 of these pedophiles are gay. From my statistics days I do believe that a statistical anomaly is about +-2.5% on a set of 100, so given the best case, 16 of the men in the room will be homosexual. (Dont get me wrong, 34 heterosexuals is a horrible number).

Some math with the socially set and accepted homosexual number (10%)
4.3 times more likely to be a pedophile if your homosexual.
If your assuming the homosexual population is 10% which is NOT.
A more accurate percentage is 2%.. your
17.2 times more likely to be a pedophile.
or a homosexual has a 1720% greater chance of being a pedophile if your homosexual.
QED

(I would check my math on the 17.2, I think it is actually higher..)

[Jaime]

Let's take Monoxide's twisted interpretation of statistics even further shall we?

According to the Bureau of Justice 67% of all pedophiles are white and 32% of all pedophiles are african american.

6% of the population are african american males (US Census)

By your math Monoxide, an African American male is six times more likely to be a pedophile.

Want to keep spouting statistics?

See this is the problem with statistics. The untrained person can extrapolate just about anything by applying hard numbers. Let's try some statistics that actually make sense shall we?

98% of all pedophiles report that they were victims of sexual abuse as children. That is a far more telling statistic than your fuzzy math.

[Monoxide]

Fuzzy math? Twisted interpretation? I obviously set it up straight forward - no twisting of logic here... Wow you linked black people to pedophilia! It is a common fact that there is a higher percentage of black homosexuals, which is visible with your statistic. There is several reasons for this, poverty, social pressure and lack of religeon. I do not wish to argue the joys of black culture here however. (Dont get me wrong, there are many smarter and more pious black people than I, im not judging anyone)

[Jaime]

[quote]It is a common fact that there is a higher percentage of black homosexuals, which is visible with your statistic. [/quote]

As you continue to pull statistics out of your.... hat, let's quote actual statistics

2001 Gay/Lesbian Census statistics

88% of homosexuals are white
3% are african american



[quote]There is several reasons for this, poverty, social pressure and lack of religeon.[/quote]

ave income from the same study

Men Women
Under $30K 12% 20%
$30K - $69,999 37% 41%
$70K - $99,999 22% 20%
$100K + 29% 16%

Want to discuss facts monoxide or continue on making ignorant statements?

[Monoxide]

98% of pedophiles were abused as children? So I guess that by letting homosexuals have free reign we are corrupting children, but you will deny this of course.

Seriously, the edacity of some people, swallowing whatever modern culture says is true. It is futile to argue with someone like this, as modern culture has deemed it necessary to make homosexuals all-encompassing on society. Once society has accepted homosexuality (it is having trouble, as many people still have scruples) Even your puerile argument will trump statistics and well reasoned, logical statements.

Open your eyes
Turn off the TV
Live

[Jaime]

[quote]Seriously, the edacity of some people, swallowing whatever modern culture says is true[/quote]

edacity - excessive desire to eat food.

I think you meant audacity.

Tough to be insulted when someone's using wrong words.

I quote actual statistics. You make them up. Without actual facts, you are incapable of making well reasoned or logical statements. You are simply making statements based on the fact that you don't like "those people". Who needs to open their eyes Monoxide? If you did, you might be able to... I don't know... read?

Ignorance breeds contempt folks. Catholics who are struggling with homosexual attractions do not need our contempt. They need our love.

[Monoxide]

Nope I meant what I said, your eating whatever the media puts on your plate...

I admit that I do not have a source for the black homosexual numbers. But I did not pull the pedophile homosexual one out of anything, I would say it comes from one of the more reliable sources thank you very much.


Questioning your gay/lesbian statistic, where was it taken? Do you know that far fewer % of blacks vote than whites? Have you ever lived in a black society? The black gays do not even consider themselves gay. Sort of like your not gay if you dont participate in Vancouvers [color=red][Edited by Kilroy the Ninja: choose a different adjective please][/color] parade.

Continue

Edited April 24, 2005 by Kilroy the Ninja

[crusader1234]

I think its really important, when discussing percentages and probability, to cite your sources. Without credible substantiation, how do we know you aren't making this up?

Also, I don't think we can trust polls in regards to this. I think we can all agree that most people that call themselves 'Catholic' do not lead Catholic lifestyles. Even more closely related to the subject, is that around %80 percent of those who hate homosexuals and would be considered 'homophobic' are in homosexuals themselves. This is a great illustration of the way people lie about this sort of thing. Especially in regards to scandals. I think this was from the American Journal of Abnormal Psychology, but I'd have to look up the exact source if you care. So I don't really think that there is any point in arguing mathematical probability based on shifty numbers.

[Monoxide]

Homosexuality has always had this question in my mind.. if we are given free will, why was Judas condemned before he even started? Why was Peter told he would deny 3 times before he did? If homosexuals are born evil, is that not destroying their free will? That is why homosexuality is caused by society, as is pedophilia, and the two are linked.

Would you say Harvard is a reputable institution? If anything, they lowered the real number of gay pedophiles... I cited my source in great detail if you didnt notice..

[Monoxide]

Repeating what I have already cited, adding url.


"Police, judicial, and treatment records suggest that almost all pedophiles are male, and about two-thirds of them are mainly heterosexual. "

-[url="http://www.health.harvard.edu/hhp/article/content.do?name=M0104a"]Pedophilia[/url],
Harvard Mental Health Letter
January 2004, Vol. 20 Issue 7
Page 1, Paragraph 4


Can I make it any clearer ?

[Jaime]

I'm not arguing the only source you've used Monoxide. I'm arguing your multiplication. I demonstrated with my example that you can use stats to mean anything.

It is laughable to suggest that african americans are six times more likely to engage in pedophile behavior because that's not the prevailing factor. The prevailing factor is that a vast majority of of abusers were themselves abused.

Because of the scandal, you want to wrongfully tie in homosexuality with child molestation. Yet again from the Bureau of Justice, they state that 90% of all sexual crimes are committed to girls 13 or younger.

The reality is that sexual abuse (in all its forms) is not about sex. The ultimate goal for the offender is power. Predators are predators. We need to elimate predators from ministries. To say that if we deal with the homosexuals, we're done, is as ridiculous as my stat quote that african americans are more likely to be pedophiles.

Oh and one more thing.

[b]HOMOSEXUALS ARE NOT EVIL!! [/b]

Homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered. Get your catechism straight.

[Monoxide]

...? Not evil? I suggest you discuss the morality of this with [i]your[/i] 'Christian' brothers at [color=red] We do NOT link to this [/color] Tell me about intrinsically disordered after you read all that site.

Oh, at least I cited a source, you could have made up those numbers and sources?

Edited April 24, 2005 by cmotherofpirl

[Jaime]

[url="http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/saycrle.pdf"]http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/saycrle.pdf[/url]

[url="http://www.childhelpusa.org/abuseinfo_stats.htm#assault"]http://www.childhelpusa.org/abuseinfo_stats.htm#assault[/url]

[url="http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-541.pdf"]http://www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-541.pdf[/url]

That should start you off sport. Happy reading

And no not evil.

AND GET RID OF THAT beaver dam LINK MONOXIDE!!

Edited April 24, 2005 by jaime

[Monoxide]

I hate to tell you this, but after reading each one, I stand by my point that homosexuality and pedophilia are linked in far more ways than being both perversions... It has almost strengthed the thought. What is wrong with that site? We should accept them because they are doing what they feel is right, right? They are just 'intrinsically disordered'.

Edited April 24, 2005 by Monoxide

[Socrates]

[quote name='crusader1234' date='Apr 24 2005, 03:32 PM']

Even more closely related to the subject, is that around %80 percent of those who hate homosexuals and would be considered 'homophobic' are in homosexuals themselves.  This is a great illustration of the way people lie about this sort of thing.  Especially in regards to scandals.  I think this was from the American Journal of Abnormal Psychology, but I'd have to look up the exact source if you care. [/quote]
I am very suspicious about these figures. Is there anyway of anybody knowing this? What do they do, take a poll and ask if people hate homosexuals, then ask if they are homosexuals? How many people claiming to hate homosexuals would admit to being homosexual? Just seems fishy.

While this may be true in some cases, I think this is one of those unsubstantiated falsehoods bandied around by the Left to silence opposition - If one is against homosexuality, he must be a homosexual himself! This seems an effective way to keep people from voicing opposition to homosexuality out of fear of being labeled qwerty themselves. Anyone who opposes homosexuality for moral, religious, or health reasons, or opposed the advance of the homosexual agenda is automatically suspected of being a closet homosexual.

Edited April 25, 2005 by Socrates

[Jaime]

Gee color me shocked! I doubt that anything will sway you into believing that homosexuals are not evil. Honestly I don't know how one can read through the Bureau of Justice statistics and not understand that pedophilia has little to do with homosexuality but you have a right to be as prejudiced as you want.