Boycott "Kingdom Of Heaven"

[DemonSlayer]

I might watch it when it's shown on free to air.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

I went and spent my husband's hard earned money on it and I enjoyed it. I especially liked King Baldwin (a leper no less).

I'd have to look up some of the info on Saladin, but really they way they treated Muslims didn't surprise me. If one takes into account idealistic Islam, etc, etc.

It also doesn't surprise me that the Christians were portrayed as divided - it's a very popular theme. I would be interested in knowing whether or not Mr. Ridley Scott is Catholic or Protestant (although I have my suspicions).

Regardless, it is just a movie. Hollywood is there to entertain us. And to push their liberal agenda. So just go be entertained. If you want education, read a good book.

[argent_paladin]

The funny thing is, this movie wasn't really about a crusade. It was about defending the Christian kingdom of Jerusalem against invading Muslims. And, the truth is, in the time depicted, the Christians were spending more time fighting one another and intriguing for the throne, that they weren't paying much attention to the Muslims. And many Christians were speaking Greek or Arabic, dressing in Islamic garb, basically "going native". That said, here's what the world's leading expert on the Crusades says about the movie:

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May 05, 2005

Truth is the first victim
By Jonathan Riley-Smith
Kingdom of Heaven has got it dramatically wrong, according to a professor of Ecclesiastical History at Cambridge

PUBLIC perceptions of crusading are still based on early 19th-century attitudes, epitomised by the novelist Sir Walter Scott and the historian Joseph-François Michaud. Scott’s The Talisman (1825), painted a picture of unsophisticated and fanatical crusaders encountering civilised and modern-minded Muslims, whose most attractive representative was the sultan, Saladin. On the other hand, Michaud's Histoire (1812-22), portrayed the crusaders as imperialistic heroes whose achievements heralded the rebirth of the West.

These attitudes passed into the Muslim world after the Ottoman sultan Abdulhamid II, under pressure from Russia, Austria, Britain and France, publicised in the 1890s his conviction that the West had re-embarked on the crusades. His argument was picked up by Arab nationalism, and in the past 30 years by a pan-Islamist revival which has globalised the nationalist conception of crusading. For jihadis like Osama bin Laden “crusaderism”, the ambition of the old Christian enemy to destroy the faithful, has been manipulating even surrogate aggression from Zionists and Marxists.

The actuality was different. If crusades to the Levant were imperialistic, they were expressing a form of imperialism very different from the 19th-century variety, because it was governed by the need to regain or hold the ruined fragments of a cave in the middle of Jerusalem. For most crusaders there was no prospect of material gain, only great expenditure on enterprises that were arduous and dangerous. Christian holy war is abhorrent to us, but we have to accept that fact that our ancestors were attracted by a vibrant ideology, based on a coherent theology which to some extent constrained it. Crusades cannot be defined solely in terms of inter-faith relations as many of them were waged against opponents who were not Muslim, but, what- ever the theatre of war, an expedition could not be launched to spread Christianity or Christian rule, but had to be a defensive reaction to an injury perpetrated by another.

Some of the arguments used by the propagandists look specious to us, but the fact remains that they had to make a good case, because crusading depended on the recruitment of volunteers and the public had to be convinced that a particular cause was worth while. No one could have got away with a justification as thin as that presented for the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

The makers of the Kingdom of Heaven follow a modified version of the constructs of Scott and Michaud. A cruel, avaricious and cowardly Christian clergy preaches hatred against the Muslims and most of the crusaders and settlers are equally stupid and fanatical. At the same time the Holy Land is portrayed as a kind of early America, a New World welcoming enterprising immigrants from an impoverished and repressive Europe. And in the midst of all the bigotry a brotherhood of liberal-minded men has vowed to create an environment in which all religions will co-exist in harmony and is in touch with Saladin, who shares its aim of peace.

This is invention. There was no brotherhood of free thinkers. There did not need to be, because within a decade or two of their occupation of Palestine the crusaders had adopted a policy of toleration, based on the Muslim treatment of subject Christians and Jews. Muslim and Jewish shrines, mosques and synagogues were open. Muslims worshipped even in Christian shrines and churches and there was at least one mosque-church. Of course the toleration was necessary if the natives were to be kept quiet, but it is a different reality from that portrayed in the film.

No one can object to romantic fiction, but the film-makers have boasted that “authenticity coloured every facet of the production”. If so, they have not had good advice; not even the city of Jerusalem is sacrosanct, with a non-existent mountain, supposedly denoting Calvary, rising incongruously out of the town. Worse, where they could have created fictional characters they have opted for real historical personalities whom they have distorted ruthlessly. The characters and careers of the hero, his lover, her husband, the king and Saladin have been re-manufactured to suit the needs of the script.

Kingdom of Heaven will feed the preconceptions of Arab nationalists and Islamists. The words and actions of the liberal brotherhood and the picture of Palestine as a Western frontier will confirm for the nationalists that medieval crusading was fundamentally about colonialism. On the other hand the fanaticism of most of the Christians in the film and their hatred of Islam is what the Islamists want to believe. At a time of inter-faith tension, nonsense like this will only reinforce existing myths.
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[Kilroy the Ninja]

I agree with you and the article Argent, but I was still entertained. It was with a grain of salt, but it was entertaining.

I think this movie is going to be old news in a couple of weeks anyhow. Sure there will be a few hangers-on, but in two or three weeks the media darling will be Star Wars and all that it entails.

As always the earthly Kingdom of Heaven will be but a dream...