Semalsia Posted May 25, 2005 Author Posted May 25, 2005 I'm just thinking of a quote by Andrew Jackson.. "Heaven will be no heaven to me if I do not meet my wife there." God can't be a substitute for another. And whether that person exists or not is irrelative. The point being that these things lead to contradictions. Heaven can't be what you want it to be. Which, again, is a contradiction. Also, if there is no change in Heaven, then there can't be thinking in Heaven either.
Paphnutius Posted May 25, 2005 Posted May 25, 2005 We only think that it cannot be what we desire because we have inordinate attachments to created things.
Crispy Posted May 29, 2005 Posted May 29, 2005 [quote name='Paphnutius' date='May 25 2005, 06:01 PM'] We only think that it cannot be what we desire because we have inordinate attachments to created things. [/quote] exactly. btw, i wouldnt put much stake in Andrew Jackson's interpretation of heaven. after all, companies will label their snacks and icecream as "heaven", but i doubt the ecstasy of God's Love can be contained in a food (besides the eucharist, obviously).
God Conquers Posted May 30, 2005 Posted May 30, 2005 Heaven is the dynamic revelation, in the presence of God, of those attributes which make Him who He is: namely Truth, Beauty and Joy. This is what a priest (ultra knowledgeable) told me once. That heaven is certainly not static, and that we will grow in our understanding and happiness (so-called) while there.
curtins Posted May 31, 2005 Posted May 31, 2005 heaven is so good- it blows our minds- God is infinatly better than anything he will satisfy EVERYTHING we have/ nothing can compare, we will be way to busy basking in God's presence, adoring him, being with him- to notice a family member/ freind etc i think
DemonSlayer Posted June 1, 2005 Posted June 1, 2005 (edited) Heaven is all just about the happiness in having a relationship with God. Edited June 1, 2005 by DemonSlayer
Guest JeffCR07 Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 [quote] I'm just thinking of a quote by Andrew Jackson.. "Heaven will be no heaven to me if I do not meet my wife there." God can't be a substitute for another. And whether that person exists or not is irrelative. The point being that these things lead to contradictions. Heaven can't be what you want it to be. Which, again, is a contradiction.[/quote] Jackson's quote displays an intrinsically disordered love if he truly meant what he said, rather than making an exaggerated comment to show the depth of his love for his wife. We must understand that every object of love which positively exists is necessarily good, for all positively existing things are created by God. All that is good derives that goodness from God. Thus, our true love for any particular thing is nothing more than a concrete love of God. "Love" ceases to be true love when it no longer leads one to give praise to God for His Goodness. Whenever "love" for a creation causes one to value it aside from and without thought of the Creator, that "love" is disordered and sinful. Thus, if my "love" of money causes me to value money outside of the context of it being a creation and gift of God, then that "love" is disordered and sinful - thus we get greed. Similarly, if my "love" of my wife causes me to value my wife outside of the context of her being a beautiful creation and wonderful gift of God, then that "love" is not true love, but a disordered and sinful love. Remember always that we shall know good from evil by the fruit it bears. If my "love" for anything causes me to see God as insufficient to provide for my perfect happiness, then such a "love" is not love at all, but rather, it is sin. In Christ, Jeff
Semalsia Posted June 4, 2005 Author Posted June 4, 2005 JeffCR07 Are you saying that the only thing you love is God? And that you would not really love even your wife as herself, but only in the light that you see God in her? And that nothing of this world is of value to you? Somehow this seems more sadder image of reality than that of mine. That only death has value (to you).
1337 k4th0l1x0r Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 [quote name='Semalsia' date='Jun 3 2005, 10:45 PM'] JeffCR07 Are you saying that the only thing you love is God? And that you would not really love even your wife as herself, but only in the light that you see God in her? And that nothing of this world is of value to you? [/quote] Somehow I don't think that is what he is saying. Good attempt to put words into his mouth though.
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted June 11, 2005 Posted June 11, 2005 [url="http://peterkreeft.com/topics-more/35-faqs_eternity.htm"]http://peterkreeft.com/topics-more/35-faqs_eternity.htm[/url]
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