curtins Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 (edited) the title says it all i said it wouldnt do anything since its just bread right? btw hes a Catholic Edited June 2, 2005 by curtins
Guest Eremite Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 Canon 844: [quote]Whenever necessity requires it or true spiritual advantage suggests it, and provided that danger of error or of indifferentism is avoided, the Christian faithful for whom it is physically or morally impossible to approach a Catholic minister are permitted to receive the sacraments of penance, Eucharist, and anointing of the sick from non-Catholic ministers in whose Churches these sacraments are valid.[/quote] The last sentence is essential: [color=red]the sacraments in that Church must be valid[/color] Protestant Churches do not have valid orders, and thus an invalid Eucharist. Hence, he can't receive.
Paphnutius Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Eremite' date='Jun 2 2005, 05:27 PM'] Canon 844: The last sentence is essential: [color=red]the sacraments in that Church must be valid[/color] Protestant Churches do not have valid orders, and thus an invalid Eucharist. Hence, he can't receive. [/quote] Please forgive my ignorance, but I thought that there was one or two of the protestant churches who had valid orders.
Guest Eremite Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 There are no Protestant Churches with valid orders. Occasionaly, there are cases of some Anglican Bishops who were ordained by Orthodox bishops, and thus are validly ordained. But these are unique, rare cases. The Eastern Orthodox Churches have valid orders, however (as does the Polish National Catholic Church).
Paphnutius Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Eremite' date='Jun 2 2005, 05:35 PM'] There are no Protestant Churches with valid orders. Occasionaly, there are cases of some Anglican Bishops who were ordained by Orthodox bishops, and thus are validly ordained. But these are unique, rare cases. [/quote] Okay thank you. I had the Anglican church in mind. I call to mind this was actually discussed recently on a thread somewhere around here...sooo many pages of threads.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 absoulutley not! speaking of this subject my aunt tried to get me to take the bread at her lutheran church i said no. Then she tried to get me to go up so i could get blessed by the rev. i said no. shes still bitter...
homeschoolmom Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 Gee, I wonder why? You were probably really polite about it...
KizlarAgha Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Jun 2 2005, 05:48 PM'] Gee, I wonder why? You were probably really polite about it... [/quote] Well she is a heretic.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 not a heretic a schismatic. It was in the middle of the service, and i was enjoying the padded pews, and she was like come get communion and i was like no thanks and she was like its an open table so i was like no thanks so she was like come get blessed and i was like no thanks
KizlarAgha Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 2 2005, 05:52 PM'] not a heretic a schismatic. It was in the middle of the service, and i was enjoying the padded pews, and she was like come get communion and i was like no thanks and she was like its an open table so i was like no thanks so she was like come get blessed and i was like no thanks [/quote] Protestantism is heresy, not just schism.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 im not 100% about this but... if one is born into a non-catholic faith then they are not heretics they are just schismatic? or is that wrong?
KizlarAgha Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 2 2005, 05:56 PM'] im not 100% about this but... if one is born into a non-catholic faith then they are not heretics they are just schismatic? or is that wrong? [/quote] That's wrong. It's like saying that Hindus aren't pagans because they were born pagan.
Paphnutius Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 They are heretics, but it is a different type than most people think of. There is a distinction but I cannot think of the names.. Formal and something else. I am sure one of the others will be along shortly
KizlarAgha Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jun 2 2005, 05:57 PM'] excuse my ignorance. [/quote] It's okay. Hope I didn't sound overly aggressive...but I usually do...
Fides_et_Ratio Posted June 2, 2005 Posted June 2, 2005 Formal and Material are the distinctions of heresy... However, I'd caution against the harsh language. Not entirely conducisive to Ecumenism. We can be more charitable than this...
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