Twentie Fow Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 Though a protestant website it still has some good points on Hip Hop. [url="http://www.exministries.com/main.html"]http://www.exministries.com/main.html[/url] Tell me what you think.... God Bless!!!
Twentie Fow Posted June 4, 2005 Author Posted June 4, 2005 Perhaps you are not familar with Hip Hop....
Fides_et_Ratio Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 If we stick it in the Mass it is. (lol) ...other than that. I'm not sure that we could consider a type of music intrinsically evil. Thus, it doesn't really differ from anything else that can be abused when used inappropriately or in improper means.
Fides_et_Ratio Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 Secondly, it may have come from "bad" origins... but so did all of the egyptian (pagan) obelisks in Rome that now stand tall with crosses atop them. And then there's the Pantheon... what I can say? We Christians take things over and give them a new meaning entirely different and independent from what they once were except to say that God tops all.
MichaelFilo Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 Satan will use all facets to blast his errors. Hip hop has been more successful than most, but it isn't evil in and of itself. God bless, Mikey
Nathan Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 Obviously, no genre of music, whether it be hip-hop, rock 'n' roll, jazz, or whatever, is intrinsically evil or bad. But hip-hop is a lot more than just a musical genre, isn't it? It has developed into an entire culture, a culture which sells images and attitudes and values to millions of people through various media. So, it [i]could[/i] feasibly be argued that the "force" behind this machine, what drives it, is evil. The fruits of hip-hop culture in society, in my view anyway, have been less than great. I don't know.
franciscanheart Posted June 4, 2005 Posted June 4, 2005 im only familiar with catholic hip hop so no i guess im not.
cmotherofpirl Posted June 9, 2005 Posted June 9, 2005 Anything can be a weapon of Satan, he's not very picky.
Twentie Fow Posted June 9, 2005 Author Posted June 9, 2005 (edited) The Hip Hop culture is an enemy of the Church. If you turned on MTV or BET you would see what it promotes. [url="http://www.exministries.com/truth.html"]http://www.exministries.com/truth.html[/url] Hip Hop's Influence 1. The music – This is the number one source of influence. This is the evangelical tool for spreading the spirit of hip-hop abroad. You can easily tell when youth are into gangsta rap and explicit lyrical content. They show it in the behavior and the choices they make in life. 2. The clothing – Sagging jeans, tight fitted tops and bottoms, gang related outfits, prison attire. These are the clothes that hip hop influences our teens to wear freely. What was once considered appropriate only for prostitutes and hardened criminals is now acceptable attire for our youth! 3. The markings – Tattoos, piercing, strange hairstyles, gold teeth, vicious jewelry (dragons, dogs, snakes, etc) and the crucifix are all products of the hip hop culture. The devil wants our children marked like Cain, to show their pledge of allegiance to rebellion and self-gratification. These marking follow our youth and make it very hard to convert them back to their original identity. 4. The mentality – Hip-hop causes youth to be rebellious. To use foul language in public. To commit very strong sexual acts with other youth. To feel they have nothing to lose. To give up on their “good” values and take on the negativity of the hip hop culture. The message of Hip Hop a. Prison is a good place. To be arrested and beat the rap makes you a hero. b. Teen pregnancy is accepted as the norm. c. Sex is good. Getting VD is not even frowned upon. Having multiple partners okay. d. Homosexuality and Bi Sexuality is normal and accepted. e. Serving God and sin together is the norm. f. God forgives sin, so it’s okay. g. Foul language and physical abuse is accepted. h. Bad grades in school are okay. i. Using drugs and drinking is accepted. j. Murder is good thing, if you deserve it. k. Choosing a god other than Jesus Christ is okay. l. Love is just a word. m. Being a thug is cool. Looking like you just robbed a bank is the norm. n. The white man is not fair and holds the black man down. o. Church, the bible, preachers, etc. are not needed. We can learn on our own. p. XXX behavior is accepted and preached lyrically in the music. q. Anything goes, as long as you are feeling it. If you all knew how High Schools were these days. The Hip Hop culture started in the inner city and it has spread to the suburbs. It now has a griphold on American Youth. Does this sound like something the Church would be ok with? Edited June 9, 2005 by Twentie Fow
FutureSoror Posted June 9, 2005 Posted June 9, 2005 I'm sorry but did you say that the crucifix is a product of hip-hop culture?? I'm not sure what I think about hip-hop. It's not my favorite genre, but I don't think it is intrinsically evil. I suppose the devil could use it as a tool. Maybe he has. I agree that the culture isn't promoting good values, but the music itself being evil I'm not sure about.
FutureSoror Posted June 9, 2005 Posted June 9, 2005 I'm not rarely listen to secular music, and don't listen to Christian music [i]that[/i] much either, myself, although I prefer it over the mainstream stuff. Give me some good piano music, Irish/Celtic instrumentals, and Gregorian Chant any day. I've kind of backed off the the music scene in that way, partially because of some of concerns I have with the music, some of which are talked about on that site. Like I said, though, I'm sort of undecided on the issue.
MC Just Posted June 10, 2005 Posted June 10, 2005 This hip-hop aint a weapon of satan. LOL. I'm using it against him.
Fiat_Voluntas_Tua Posted June 12, 2005 Posted June 12, 2005 i think some of those points are funny / invalid... m. Being a thug is cool. Looking like you just robbed a bank is the norm. n. The white man is not fair and holds the black man down. h. Bad grades in school are okay. a. Prison is a good place. To be arrested and beat the rap makes you a hero. Just thought I would add my 2 cents... That isn't the message rap / hip-hop sends... that is the effect it has on society (however, I am not sure about the bad grade one.) In the words of John Reuban (I don't know how to spell his last name) "Do not tell me what I can and what I can't do when I rock." I will revise St. Francis's quote, "Preach the Gospel at ALL times, use Hip-Hop if neccesary." Totus Tuus, Andrew Joseph
phatcatholic Posted June 12, 2005 Posted June 12, 2005 phatmass is proof that hip hop can be used for good.
Twentie Fow Posted June 13, 2005 Author Posted June 13, 2005 MC Just..... [quote]This hip-hop aint a weapon of satan. LOL. I'm using it against him.[/quote] What you do is Catholic Rap. You have nothing to do with the Hip Hop Culture. Fiat_Voluntas_Tua.... [quote]I will revise St. Francis's quote, "Preach the Gospel at ALL times, use Hip-Hop if neccesary."[/quote] How about using Catholic Rap. Again, what MC Just and me do has nothing to do with the Hip Hop Culture. FutureSoror... [quote]I'm sorry but did you say that the crucifix is a product of hip-hop culture??[/quote] The point of the author is that alot of people in the Hip Hop Culture wear crucifix's and abuse the sacredness of them.
Guest Posted June 13, 2005 Posted June 13, 2005 (edited) paul tells us to become everything to reach the sinner if im doing music that praises Jesus Christ and his church and still look like im a product of the hiphop culture, there is nothening wrong with that. Revelations tells us to not worship the beast image......... If I go to a three six mafia concert and im giveing them praise and worship, then im falling into the sin of worshiping the beast image........ But just because a person wheres over sized jeans over sized shirts and certian color patterns, doesnt automaticly mean they are guilty... its all about wut is the persons intent.......again, Paul said become anything to reach the sinner........so when i record my first cd and im performing alongside other phatmass performers, please believe it that i will prolly come out in some saggen jeans, a double xl white tee, a bandana and a fitted hat tilted to the back......but i will be glorifying Jesus Christ.......not satan.... Edited June 13, 2005 by Guest
Guest Posted June 13, 2005 Posted June 13, 2005 "You must realize that God did not play a part in the creation, establishing, or foundation of Hip Hop, so how can we drag him into it at this late stage " THATS A BUNCH OF GARBAGE
Twentie Fow Posted June 13, 2005 Author Posted June 13, 2005 Delivery Boy.... [quote]But just because a person wheres over sized jeans over sized shirts and certian color patterns, doesnt automaticly mean they are guilty... its all about wut is the persons intent.......again, Paul said become anything to reach the sinner........so when i record my first cd and im performing alongside other phatmass performers, please believe it that i will prolly come out in some saggen jeans, a double xl white tee, a bandana and a fitted hat tilted to the back......but i will be glorifying Jesus Christ.......not satan....[/quote] I definitley agree.
Guest Posted June 13, 2005 Posted June 13, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Twentie Fow' date='Jun 12 2005, 07:55 PM']Delivery Boy.... I definitley agree. [right][snapback]609985[/snapback][/right] [/quote] TWENTIE FOW thanks bro....im reading this site more now as I type....I do agree with most of it though...its a really good site......And the people behind it really seem on fire for Christ and sincere....Good Stuff.... p.s the part where it list all the different artist and has a summary of them is really dope.......im diggen that i just clicked on the outkast one...its sorta creepy, it shows a picture of them in front of a bunch of flames, and andre 3000 has a red vest on with satan on the sleeve.... Edited June 13, 2005 by Guest
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