reelguy227 Posted June 24, 2005 Posted June 24, 2005 Hip hop is bad ,like Twenty Fow said ,look at MTV and BET ,there horrible. Hip hop adds to the sexual revolution that started in the 60's and is still going today ,its horrible !!! It all revolves around sex ,I hate it ,although phatmassess hip hop is good ,Im speaking of secular hip hop ,like the above stated channels. God Bless, Ricky
phatcatholic Posted June 24, 2005 Posted June 24, 2005 [quote name='reelguy227' date='Jun 24 2005, 04:15 PM']Hip hop is bad ,like Twenty Fow said ,look at MTV and BET ,there horrible. Hip hop adds to the sexual revolution that started in the 60's and is still going today ,its horrible !!! It all revolves around sex ,I hate it ,although phatmassess hip hop is good ,Im speaking of secular hip hop ,like the above stated channels. God Bless, Ricky [right][snapback]622038[/snapback][/right] [/quote] it is necessary to qualify this statement. hip hop in and of itself is not bad. we know this from the good that it can achieve. however, like all things, it can be corrupted and used in immoral ways.
Twentie Fow Posted December 4, 2005 Author Posted December 4, 2005 [quote]it is necessary to qualify this statement. hip hop in and of itself is not bad. we know this from the good that it can achieve. however, like all things, it can be corrupted and used in immoral ways. [/quote] The problem with the culture of Hip Hop in general is that it is the polar opposite of Catholic Dogma. Very little of it is positive. How could one have a clear conscience listening or watching any of that? Hip Hop is already used and abused by the evil one, but us Catholics can use Catholic Rap as a positive means. We don't have to dress, talk or act like the Hip Hop Culture. May the content of Catholic Rap be Orthodox Catholic Dogma! Pope Benedict XVI writing about rock music said... [quote][html]http://www.ceciliaschola.org/notes/benedictonmusic.html#Musical_Culture_Today[/html] Musical Culture Today After the cultural revolution of recent decades, we are faced with a challenge no less great than that of the three moments of crisis that we have encountered in our historical sketch: the Gnostic temptation, the crisis at the end of the Middle Ages and the beginning of modernity, and the crisis at the beginning of the twentieth century, which formed the prelude to the still more radical questions of the present day. Three developments in recent music epitomize the problems that the Church has to face when she is considering liturgical music. First of all, there is the cultural universalization that the Church has to undertake if she wants to get beyond the boundaries of the European mind. This is the question of what inculturation should look like in the realm of sacred music if, on the one hand, the identity of Christianity is to be preserved and, on the other, its universality is to be expressed in local forms. Then there are two developments in music itself that have their origins primarily in the West but that for a long time have affected the whole of mankind in the world culture that is being formed. Modern so-called “classical” music has maneuvered itself, with some exceptions, into an elitist ghetto, which only specialists may enter—and even they do so with what may sometimes be mixed feelings. The music of the masses has broken loose from this and treads a very different path. [The Spirit of the Liturgy [SF, CA: Ignatius, 2000) p. 148] Popular and Rock Music On the one hand, there is pop music, which is certainly no longer supported by the people in the ancient sense (populus). It is aimed at the phenomenon of the masses, is industrially produced, and ultimately has to be described as a cult of the banal. “Rock”, on the other hand, is the expression of elemental passions, and at rock festivals it assumes a cultic character, a form of worship, in fact, in opposition to Christian worship. People are, so to speak, released from themselves by the experience of being part of a crowd and by the emotional shock of rhythm, noise, and special lighting effects. However, in the ecstasy of having all their defenses torn down, the participants sink, as it were, beneath the elemental force of the universe. The music of the Holy Spirit’s sober inebriation seems to have little chance when self has become a prison, the mind is a shackle, and breaking out from both appears as a true promise of redemption that can be tasted at least for a few moments. [The Spirit of the Liturgy, (SF, CA: Ignatius, 2000), p 148][/quote] I wonder what the Roman Pontiff would say about Hip Hop and its culture? God Bless, D.R.F.
Era Might Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Twentie Fow' date='Dec 3 2005, 08:02 PM']The problem with the culture of Hip Hop in general is that it is the polar opposite of Catholic Dogma. Very little of it is positive. How could one have a clear conscience listening or watching any of that? Hip Hop is already used and abused by the evil one, but us Catholics can use Catholic Rap as a positive means. We don't have to dress, talk or act like the Hip Hop Culture. May the content of Catholic Rap be Orthodox Catholic Dogma![right][snapback]810023[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You're assuming that "the Hip Hop Culture" begins and ends with MTV. It doesn't. When Christians take hip hop as a gimmick, to be "relevant", it's embarrassing. Hip Hop is as much of who you are as being American, if indeed that is who you are. Gimmicky Christians are like Liturgical dance in the West. They don't blend with hip hop. Hip Hop isn't a set of doctrines that you follow. It's what you make it. If Hip Hop had to be one thing, it wouldn't exist, because nobody would have ever been the cataclyst for change (eg, the evolution of scratch). Who's to say Catholic rhymes aren't as "hip hop" as the flare scratch? ps: Take a trip over to Point 5's Myspace. They have video of breakdancers at the throne of the Holy See. Quite the spectacle. John Paul II was "hood". Edited December 4, 2005 by Era Might
photosynthesis Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 [quote name='Twentie Fow' date='Jun 9 2005, 09:22 AM']d. Homosexuality and Bi Sexuality is normal and accepted. n. The white man is not fair and holds the black man down. [right][snapback]607855[/snapback][/right] [/quote] OK, as for "d".... how many homosexual rappers do you guys know about? The vast majority of rap lyrics that have to do with homosexuality usually condemn it, not because it is immoral and a sin against God, but because it is unmasculine and a sin against masculenity, which is treated like a God by the hip-hop scene. I'm no rap connoisseur but from what I know, it seems like there is more of a Christian presence in hip-hop than a gay presence simply because rap is all about being ultramasculine and as for N, the white man ISN'T fair and he DOES hold the black man down.
TheSecond Posted December 4, 2005 Posted December 4, 2005 It is what it is...There are only two kinds of people on the earth...Good people and Bad people. Whatever your culture...style...music...or choices are. You are either good and you'll use your culture...style...music etc. for the good or you are bad and you'll use those things for the bad. It seems we are assuming that all hip hop artists are Bad... Not true. we can not be placed into groups like grapes. Some of us grapes are chosen to become wine and some of us grapes will wither away and become raisins. That's nature. We aren't here to judge. So lets be good Christians and pray for those who are lost and pray for the continued blessings for those who are found. In Christ we are VICTORIOUS... Blessings The Second
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