Semalsia Posted June 19, 2005 Posted June 19, 2005 I'm sorry about creating so many topics, but I'm curious to hear your input on this topic as well. What does the phrase "to sell one's own soul" mean exactly? Is it to be taken literally in catholicism? Is selling your soul actually possible and in what fashion? How about talking to demons? Is that possible? I realize these are weird questions, but I just read the story about Faustus couple of days ago and I'm wondering if that's what you believe in.
Crispy Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 hmmm, interesting idea, what do some of the scholars say on this? seems to be simply involving urself in sataninc type rituals or else appealing to the power the devil for aid (i.e. praying to him as iff hes God) thats all i think the term "selling ur soul" means
Socrates Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 [quote name='Semalsia' date='Jun 19 2005, 05:21 PM']I'm sorry about creating so many topics, but I'm curious to hear your input on this topic as well. What does the phrase "to sell one's own soul" mean exactly? Is it to be taken literally in catholicism? Is selling your soul actually possible and in what fashion? How about talking to demons? Is that possible? I realize these are weird questions, but I just read the story about Faustus couple of days ago and I'm wondering if that's what you believe in. [right][snapback]616264[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Stories such as that of Faustus about selling one's soul to the devil in exchange for some earthly reward as regarded as legend rather than historical fact. It is not known whether anyone actually made such a deal. However, it is never too late to repent and turn back to God until one is dead (although the devil may make this very difficult). One can (knowingly or unknowingly) communicate with evil spirits through sorcery, "magic" and the occult. All such practices are strictly forbidden by the Church (and by Judaic Old Testament Law), and are extremely dangerous to one's soul. Maybe not the best answer, but hope this helps you understand what we believe.
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 You can never be so far into the Devil's grip that God cannot free you if you ask.
Fixxxer Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 you right your name on a piece of paper, sell it and then that persons eats the paper. then he has your soul
Jaime Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 [quote name='Fixxxer' date='Jun 19 2005, 08:43 PM']you right your name on a piece of paper, sell it and then that persons eats the paper. then he has your soul [right][snapback]616366[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I'm now worried every time I write a check
Cam42 Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 [quote name='thedude' date='Jun 19 2005, 08:35 PM']You can never be so far into the Devil's grip that God cannot free you if you ask. [right][snapback]616358[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Unless you blaspheme the Holy Spirit that is.....
jezic Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 i have wonderd about that, how could a sin be unforgiveable? What if you truly had a conversion and understand that it was wrong? While the sin might not be erased, how would it not be forgiven?
Cam42 Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 [quote name='jezic' date='Jun 19 2005, 09:26 PM']i have wonderd about that, how could a sin be unforgiveable? What if you truly had a conversion and understand that it was wrong? While the sin might not be erased, how would it not be forgiven? [right][snapback]616398[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote name='CCC 1864']"Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven." There are no limits to the mercy of God, but anyone who deliberately refuses to accept his mercy by repenting, rejects the forgiveness of his sins and the salvation offered by the Holy Spirit. Such hardness of heart can lead to final impenitence and eternal loss.[/quote] [i]Mt 12:31; cf. Mk 3:29; Lk 12:10 Cf. John Paul II, DeV 46[/i] There ya go.....
photosynthesis Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Jun 19 2005, 11:23 PM']Unless you blaspheme the Holy Spirit that is..... [right][snapback]616394[/snapback][/right] [/quote] what is blasphemy of the holy spirit anyway?
Fixxxer Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jun 19 2005, 09:18 PM']I'm now worried every time I write a check [right][snapback]616388[/snapback][/right] [/quote] heh, i think it was the simpsons that showed what i said
Didacus Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 Itis not posible to sell something that does not belong to you. Your soul is God's property, and thus, strictly speaking you cannot sell your soul. However, in a figurative sense, you sell your soul eveytime you sin.
Jaime Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 I believe it was Bart that sold his soul to Milhouse. Then crazy unforseen antics ensued. Later he converted to Catholicism
God Conquers Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 I think it's a metaphor.... I can't even think of a situation where ANYONE would actually sell their soul if they believed they had one. Guy: "Oh Baby... I would love to have that car/ marry that girl / own that business / hold that political office / have a twinkie right now!" Devil: "Hey what's up, I'll give it to you, all you have to do is give me your soul." Guy: " Holy @!#$ it's the Prince of Darkness! You actually exist!... and all I have to do is give you my soul? For how long?" Devil:"uh.... eternity." Guy: " And how long will it take to eat the twinkie?" Devil: "12 and a half seconds." Guy: "WHat about the marriage?" Devil: " 14 seconds" Guy: "The car?" Devil: "That'll last longer." Guy: "hmmm... office is 4 years... money is....how long am I gonna live for?" Devil: "uh... about 20 more years, give or take a few" Guy: "And the deal with the soul thing is for how long again.." Devil: "Eternity." Guy: "OK no dice. "
scardella Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 This is from [i]The Secret of the Rosary[/i] by St. Louis de Montfort: [quote]Thirty-sixth Rose 109 1in 1578, a woman of Antwerp had given herself to the devil and signed a contract with her own blood. Shortly afterwards she was stricken with remorse and had an intense desire to make amends for this terrible deed. So she sought out a kind and wise confessor to find out how she could be set free from the power of the devil. She found a wise and holy priest, who advised her to go to Fr. Henry, director of the Confraternity of the Holy Rosary, at the Dominican Friary, to be enrolled there and to make her confession. Accordingly, she asked to see him but met, not Fr. Henry, but the devil disguised as a friar. He reproved her severely and said she could never hope to recieve God's grace, and there was no way of revoking what she had signed. This grieved her greatly but she did not lose hope in God's mercy and sought out Fr. Henry once more, only to find the devil a second time, and to meet with a second rebuff. She came back a third time and then at last, by Divine Providence, found Fr. Henry in person, the priest whom she had been looking for, and he treated her with great kindness, urging her to throw herself on the mercy of God and to make a good confession. He then recieved her into the Confraternity and told her to say the Rosary frequently. One day, while Fr. Henry was celebrating Mass for her, Our Lady forced the devil to give her back the contract she had signed. In this way, she was delivered form the devil by the authority of Mary and by devotion to the Holy Rosary.[/quote]
God Conquers Posted June 20, 2005 Posted June 20, 2005 [quote name='scardella' date='Jun 20 2005, 11:08 AM']This is from [i]The Secret of the Rosary[/i] by St. Louis de Montfort: [right][snapback]616774[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's AWESOME!
Socrates Posted June 21, 2005 Posted June 21, 2005 Everett - "What'd the Devil give you for your soul, Tommy?" Tommy - "He taught me to play the guitar reeeeaaalllll good!" Delmar - "Now son, for that you traded your everlasting soul?" Tommy - "Well I wasn't usin' it!" ~ [i]O Brother Where Art Thou[/i]
Don John of Austria Posted June 21, 2005 Posted June 21, 2005 [quote name='Socrates' date='Jun 19 2005, 07:47 PM']Stories such as that of Faustus about selling one's soul to the devil in exchange for some earthly reward as regarded as legend rather than historical fact. It is not known whether anyone actually made such a deal. However, it is never too late to repent and turn back to God until one is dead (although the devil may make this very difficult). One can (knowingly or unknowingly) communicate with evil spirits through sorcery, "magic" and the occult. All such practices are strictly forbidden by the Church (and by Judaic Old Testament Law), and are extremely dangerous to one's soul. Maybe not the best answer, but hope this helps you understand what we believe. [right][snapback]616340[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I Know for a fact people do in fact formally sell their souls. That being Said one may always break said contract and repent.
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