Excerpt from Billy Graham's final speech

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jun 26 2005, 05:39 PM']Nothing can remove the mark and seal of the Holy Spirit. Nothing.
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Right, but he's address a wide group of people-- some who were baptized, some who weren't, some who were confirmed, some who were atheists etc. When he says "we" he doesn't mean each and every single person there. I think he means "some."

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Jun 25 2005, 07:45 AM']So who else sees something deeply theologically wrong here?

"We are Christians maybe. We go to church. We've been baptized, we've been confirmed. But deep inside we need something else, and that something else can be brought about by Jesus," he told the crowd."
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Let's just pretend he meant the Eucharist which is brought about by Jesus...

[Brother Adam]

Just pretending doesn't do much for a persons soul

[homeschoolmom]

Neither does debating what Rev. Graham meant...

[Brother Adam]

But that's what we do here. Debate.

And it does help. I'm here. and Catholic....

[homeschoolmom]

Meh... I'm just in a crabby mood... don't mind me...

[curtins]

Billy Graham is a great dude but at the end of the day he still is a heratic

[jmjtina]

Since when do we actually trust the media?

I wouldn't put it past them to add just one word, "maybe", to his speech or paraphrase to get a totally different answer.

it's been done before.

[Brother Adam]

That's basic evangelical doctrine. If he didn't say 'maybe' he is not being true to his faith. Not to mention that is what every 'crusade' is about - "You only need Jesus and nothing else". I know a woman who has been 'saved' 5 times by Billy.

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[jmjtina]

Maybe if he's not being "true to his faith", maybe he's on the verge of converting?

We know it's not theologically sound. We've seen thousands "saved" by Benny Hinn and others.

All I'm saying, is that he could possibly be misquoted and going Catholic.

A girl can dream....and pray for the man.












and bro. adam, I just feel like fighting :ph34r:

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[Brother Adam]

lol. okay, yes you can dream, and that would be wonderful if he was converting, it would be a massive win for the Church, but I'm probably doubting it. Fox News typically does not twist words like that.

[IcePrincessKRS]

Just out of curiosity, do we actually EXPECT what Billy Graham says to be theologically sound?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Jul 1 2005, 10:07 AM']Just out of curiosity, do we actually EXPECT what Billy Graham says to be theologically sound?
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Well, I don't expect him to state things in a way that conforms to Catholic doctrine. So you do have a point.

[Carrie]

[quote name='thedude' date='Jun 26 2005, 10:33 AM']I found something wrong when I heard he said that Bill Clinton would make a great evangelist...
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This bothered me as well.

[Good Friday]

You know, you can say what you want about Billy Graham -- and I see that many of you have -- but the fact is that he has brought many people to Christianity who otherwise would not have come. No, it was not Catholic Christianity, and therefore not the fullness of Christianity. But it begs the question: Isn't a slice of Christianity better than none at all? Isn't a glimpse of Christ better than being blind to him forever?

Billy Graham is not the enemy, and I don't think he deserves to be treated the way some on this thread have treated him. What, pray tell, do you think a Protestant who came to Christianity through one of Billy Graham's crusades would think of the Catholic Church if he or she stumbled upon this post?

[Apotheoun]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Jul 1 2005, 07:20 PM']You know, you can say what you want about Billy Graham -- and I see that many of you have -- but the fact is that he has brought many people to Christianity who otherwise would not have come.  No, it was not Catholic Christianity, and therefore not the fullness of Christianity.  But it begs the question: Isn't a slice of Christianity better than none at all?  Isn't a glimpse of Christ better than being blind to him forever?

Billy Graham is not the enemy, and I don't think he deserves to be treated the way some on this thread have treated him.  What, pray tell, do you think a Protestant who came to Christianity through one of Billy Graham's crusades would think of the Catholic Church if he or she stumbled upon this post?
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Well of course practicing the virtue of religion is better than living in an irreligious manner; and as far as it concerns Protestantism, it is true that it retains some elements of the Catholic faith and it has that in its favor. It is only in its negations of Catholic truth that there is a problem.

[IcePrincessKRS]

[quote name='Good Friday' date='Jul 1 2005, 10:20 PM']You know, you can say what you want about Billy Graham -- and I see that many of you have -- but the fact is that he has brought many people to Christianity who otherwise would not have come.  No, it was not Catholic Christianity, and therefore not the fullness of Christianity.  But it begs the question: Isn't a slice of Christianity better than none at all?  Isn't a glimpse of Christ better than being blind to him forever?

Billy Graham is not the enemy, and I don't think he deserves to be treated the way some on this thread have treated him.  What, pray tell, do you think a Protestant who came to Christianity through one of Billy Graham's crusades would think of the Catholic Church if he or she stumbled upon this post?
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I hope you didn't mean me... I wasn't trying to be rude in my statement, I was just trying to show that I think its a little silly to complain about someone's "theological unsoundness" when they clearly don't have the fullness of truth. We shouldn't expect them be on the mark when they preach for that same reason.

Anyway, Apotheoun gave a far better answer to your questions that I can.