Jaime Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 In the wake of Justice O'Connor's resignation, US Attorney General Alberto Gonzalez's name has come up as a possible nominee. Gonzalez is a close friend of the Bush family, a trusted advisor and he served on the Texas Supreme Court. What would you think if Gonzalez was Bush's nominee? Good thing or bad thing? (I would have started a poll but I've demonstrated that I have absolutely no idea how to make one properly) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 Oh, erm. I really don't like him at all. He seems... cruel and vindictive. OTOH, he'd be harmless (and possibly useful) in the Supreme Court, unlike his current position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 [quote name='philothea' date='Jul 3 2005, 10:28 AM']Oh, erm. I really don't like him at all. He seems... cruel and vindictive. OTOH, he'd be harmless (and possibly useful) in the Supreme Court, unlike his current position. [right][snapback]630612[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Just out of curiousity - how is he "cruel and vindictive"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Jul 3 2005, 11:03 AM']Just out of curiousity - how is he "cruel and vindictive"? [right][snapback]630628[/snapback][/right] [/quote] His apparent pro-torture stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apotheoun Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 I would prefer a person who is unequivocally pro-life. [url="http://www.lifenews.com/nat1399.html"]Possible Gonzales Pick for Supreme Court Worries Pro-Life Advocates[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilroy the Ninja Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 [quote name='philothea' date='Jul 3 2005, 11:19 AM']His apparent pro-torture stance. [right][snapback]630638[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Well, I guess that would make him apparently cruel... but vindictive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philothea Posted July 3, 2005 Share Posted July 3, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Jul 3 2005, 11:33 AM']Well, I guess that would make him apparently cruel... but vindictive? [right][snapback]630648[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Sorry for the lapse. As a prosecutor, Gonzales appeared to seek convictions and revenge rather than than truth and justice. I acknowledge that I may be mistaken. This is just my impression from the news and discussion I have been unable to avoid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 Wouldn't folks feel rather betrayed if Bush nominated Gonzalez? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 3 2005, 10:28 PM']Wouldn't folks feel rather betrayed if Bush nominated Gonzalez? [right][snapback]631047[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Did Bush run as a pro-life candidate? NO, he did not. I don't think that they will feel betrayed. But, I think that there is something else going on. I think that there is a whitewashing of the idea that Bush is pro-choice. If he nominates Gonzalez AGAIN, it shouldn't be a shock, he already nominated him once. Why not again? Gonzalez embodies the ideals of the George W. Bush family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaime Posted July 4, 2005 Author Share Posted July 4, 2005 [quote]Did Bush run as a pro-life candidate? NO, he did not. I don't think that they will feel betrayed.[/quote] I disagree Camster. While he didn't run primarily on this issue, I think putting a prolifer on the bench was the prime reason many conservatives voted for Bush. If Gonzalez were to get the nomination, I would think that a lot of Bush supporters would feel betrayed. If Bush nominates Gonzalez or a moderate, I think this would be a failed presidency. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toledo_jesus Posted July 4, 2005 Share Posted July 4, 2005 we'll see, but I don't believe there will be any kind of progress here, only regression. Let's put Andrew Napolitano on the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Jul 4 2005, 08:14 AM']Did Bush run as a pro-life candidate? NO, he did not. I don't think that they will feel betrayed. But, I think that there is something else going on. I think that there is a whitewashing of the idea that Bush is pro-choice. If he nominates Gonzalez AGAIN, it shouldn't be a shock, he already nominated him once. Why not again? Gonzalez embodies the ideals of the George W. Bush family. [right][snapback]631306[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Pro-lifers and "pro-family" "religious conservatives" voted overwhelmingly for Bush in the last election, and were a major factor in his re-election. The possiblity of pro-life judges was a big reason many voted for Bush rather than Kerry. If Bush chose a pro-abortion candidate, many would indeed feel betrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 3 2005, 11:28 PM']Wouldn't folks feel rather betrayed if Bush nominated Gonzalez? [right][snapback]631047[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes! I am not a fan of Mr. Bush. It took a good deal of convincing for me to vote for him and even then, it was based on his views on abortion only. I wouldn't dream of calling him pro-life (i have issues with his death penalty stance), but he was the only candidate with a chance of winning that was against abortion He was the only candidate who I thought would appoint pro-life judges if anyone in the supreme court retired. That is one of the [b]major[/b] reasons I voted for him. I was confident that he would do so. To hear that Gonzalez is a possibility does indeed make me feel betrayed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 5 2005, 02:44 PM']Yes! I wouldn't dream of calling him pro-life (i have issues with his death penalty stance), but he was the only candidate with a chance of winning that was against abortion [/quote] The Church has long approved of using the death penalty. Even JPII did not say the death penalty was intrinsically wrong, but his opinion was that it was not necessary in today's society. This is in contrast to abortion, which the Church has always declared evil in all circumstances. To say someone is not pro-life because he supports the death penalty is to say that the Catholic Church and the vast majority of Popes through history were not pro-life. I'm getting sick of having to say this. The false equivication of abortion and the death penalty is a ploy by liberals to get Catholics to support pro-abortion politicians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carrie Posted July 5, 2005 Share Posted July 5, 2005 Yes, I know all that. The way the Church advocates usage of the death penalty and the way Bush advocates usage of the death penalty are very different from each other. [quote]I wouldn't dream of calling him pro-life (i have issues with his death penalty stance) [/quote] Notice in my quote I said I have issues with [b]his[/b] death penalty stance. I didn't criticize the Church's stance. Like I said, two very different views. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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