homosexual attraction

[track2004]

Just a question because it comes up here a lot.

I'm going with the "God does what He wants" because I really don't have room to speculate...

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='track2004' date='Jul 5 2005, 02:00 AM']Just a question because it comes up here a lot.

I'm going with the "God does what He wants" because I really don't have room to speculate...
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I most certainly believe with the fullest of my heart that god can and may heal this horrible issue that many go through in today's society. I speak not from my own experience but i have attended groups that help people seek freedom from homosexuality. The group itself is non-denominational yet the people who run it are generally baptists. But just because they are baptist does not mean that they are wrong. I believe these people.......the man who runs it, based out of houston, is a southern baptist minister and he claims that there are hundreds of people in which he is associated with who claim to have been healed by god........including himself. He even says that more than half of these people move on to get married and claim that a natural heterosexual union between a man and women is definately attainable. The group focuses on causes of homosexuality and educates people on how to train themselves to abstain. I have found through my own experiences that abstaining from masturbation, i have not completly done this yet but i have definatly grown in my goal to abstain, decreases your tendency to have a homosexual attraction.

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Jul 5 2005, 03:13 AM']I most certainly believe with the fullest of my heart that god can and may heal this horrible issue that many go through in today's society. I speak not from my own experience but i have attended groups that help people seek freedom from homosexuality. The group itself is non-denominational yet the people who run it are generally baptists. But just because they are baptist does not mean that they are wrong. I believe these people.......the man who runs it, based out of houston, is a southern baptist minister and he claims that there are hundreds of people in which he is associated with who claim to have been healed by god........including himself. He even says that more than half of these people move on to get married and claim that a natural heterosexual union between a man and women is definately attainable. The group focuses on causes of homosexuality and educates people on how to train themselves to abstain. I have found through my own experiences that abstaining from masturbation, i have not completly done this yet but i have definatly grown in my goal to abstain, decreases your tendency to have a homosexual attraction.
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I do believe that it is what ever god wants, but i want to stress that i think that homosexuality is an issue for people for many different reasons. Furthermore, I believe that it does not necessarily call people to a life of celebacy. It may just be a way for god to reach to people who dont believe in him. It may be a call to the priesthood. It may be punishment. We will never know, but with god their are infinite possiblities. Jesus said this and i will trust in his word.

[Semperviva]

there is a book from focus on the family about a guy who used to be gay but God healed him...maybe on their website under resources? its his autobiography

[jasJis]

Sometimes SSA is given too much importance. Sometimes the root cause lies with self esteem, self punishment, and SSA can be a symptom.

[thessalonian]

The question answers itself. God is not God if he doesn't have power over SSA. It is a greater "god" than he. If he cannot then there is no God.

A man spoke at our Knights of Columbus last year. He was viralently homosexual and in to the movement, recruting homosexuals and all. He is not fully Catholic and the father of two. He sees how far lost he was.

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[Semperviva]

[url="http://www.lovewonout.com/"]protestants it seems on the forefront of this...this site is encouraging[/url]

[Socrates]

God can heal whatever He wants!

[philothea]

Yeah... I mean, if bringing people back from the dead isn't a problem, I don't think anything else is!

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

what exactly is focus on the family?

[curtins]

I put he does what he wants but yes of course he can but I dont think that means he does it fore every case

[Aloysius]

about 1/3 who seek help can develope normal heterosexual attraction, 1/3 can simply get rid of homosexual attraction but never develop normal attraction, and 1/3 tend to be unable to get rid of homosexual attraction. that's according to NARTH

so yeah, God can do it. he can use good psychiatrists to do it. he can also use St. Joseph, friendships, and many other things.

it happens... but usually not by someone taking it on directly.. trying to repress and repress and repress. there are issues at work much deeper than that that need to be worked through.

[LittleLes]

Question aasked: Do you think that God can "heal" SSA?

RESPONSE:

Why would he want to?

Should God "heal" brown eyes?

The questions are equivalent.

[Aloysius]

yeah, because brown eyes have deep anger issues behind them, you know... everyone with brown eyes has all these common upbringing problems... not so much.

[cmotherofpirl]

Brown eyes are not a disorder, SSA is.

[quote name='LittleLes' date='Jul 6 2005, 12:22 PM']Question aasked: Do you think that God can "heal" SSA?

RESPONSE:

Why would he want to?

Should God "heal" brown eyes?

The questions are equivalent.
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[LittleLes]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jul 6 2005, 10:26 AM']Brown eyes are not a disorder, SSA is.
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RESPONSE:

Only to those who hold such a view. I don't think you'll find physicians, psychiatrists, or psychologists making that claim in this day and age.

Sexual orientation develops along a spectrum. A certain number of men and women become sexually oriented to their own gender. This happens in the animal kingdom as well.

At one point it was thought that being left handed rather than right handed was a disorder. Same thing though.

That's that nature of the human species. There is no disorder involved.

[track2004]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='Jul 6 2005, 11:36 AM']RESPONSE:

Only to those who hold such a view. I don't think you'll find physicians, psychiatrists, or psychologists making that claim in this day and age.

Sexual orientation develops along a spectrum. A certain number of men and women become sexually oriented to their own gender. This happens in the animal kingdom as well.

At one point it was thought that being left handed rather than right handed was a disorder. Same thing though.

That's that nature of the human species. There is no disorder involved.
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I personally don't think it is something to be fixed so much as a 'Okay, I'm gay, now what should I do about it? Should I find a monogamous relationship? Should I stay celebant forever? Should I play the field?' Homosexuality happens, no one is really debating that, it's mostly just what people should do about being homosexual.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='Jul 6 2005, 01:36 PM']RESPONSE:

Only to those who hold such a view. I don't think you'll find physicians, psychiatrists, or psychologists making that claim in this day and age.

Sexual orientation develops along a spectrum. A certain number of men and women become sexually oriented to their own gender. This happens in the animal kingdom as well.

At one point it was thought that being left handed rather than right handed was a disorder. Same thing though.

That's that nature of the human species. There is no disorder involved.
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Orientation to the same sex is a disorder, the natural God-given order is female-male.

[Jaime]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Jul 6 2005, 12:12 PM']Orientation to the same sex is a disorder, the natural God-given order is female-male.
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BTW thank God there isn't a third gender. I'm pretty sure if women had a second choice, a lot more men would be looking towards the priesthood.

[track2004]

As a related question...

Do you think the people who are healed were bisexual in some degree and found someone of the opposite sex to love or do you think that all the homosexual desires 'vanished' (or any other possibility for the situation)?