Semperviva Posted July 17, 2005 Posted July 17, 2005 1... what is music's effect on the soul? can we know this... 2...Rock and Roll = “Vehicle of anti-religion.” -BenXVI --- does anyone where this quote comes from...and the full context...(not talking about the Ratzinger Report segment on the liturgy, but just some sortof comment where this may have come from) 3rdly... As rock has no place in the liturgy according to the Holy Father, what are the implications ( ) [i]in life[/i] as the liturgy is the central focus of worship and a catholic's entire life?
reelguy227 Posted July 17, 2005 Posted July 17, 2005 I dont think anything in this world ,except for sin and God have any effect on the soul.But thats just my opinion.
Semperviva Posted July 17, 2005 Author Posted July 17, 2005 [quote name='reelguy227' date='Jul 17 2005, 12:35 AM']I dont think anything in this world ,except for sin and God have any effect on the soul.But thats just my opinion. [right][snapback]646186[/snapback][/right] [/quote] From one aspect yeh...free will is free will......okmayeb not afect ont he sou, i should say..effect on the "spirit" ie moods desire inclinations disposition emotion thoughts relation all of which effect one's will to some degree and then as a result efect ones soul
reelguy227 Posted July 17, 2005 Posted July 17, 2005 Ill agree with you on that ,it does affect mood and desire .Certain rock songs make me get pumped and others make me mad .So ya I guess.
Semperviva Posted July 17, 2005 Author Posted July 17, 2005 [quote name='reelguy227' date='Jul 17 2005, 12:41 AM']Ill agree with you on that ,it does affect mood and desire .Certain rock songs make me get pumped and others make me mad .So ya I guess. [right][snapback]646195[/snapback][/right] [/quote] BTW, i meant music in general in the first question--yeh know? like it could be anything really...i mean imagine watching Gladiator without hans zimmer in the backround.. its like half the movie gone...
Semperviva Posted July 17, 2005 Author Posted July 17, 2005 (edited) [quote name='reelguy227' date='Jul 17 2005, 12:41 AM']Ill agree with you on that ,it does affect mood and desire . [/quote] ...so music affects your desires... what i mean is... if you are somewhat formed by the desires incited by your music, or a habitually encouraged way of thinking or state of mind or diesire can be formed by music.... this ultimetely affects how you live, act and who you are it seems... does your music determine what kind of person you are, to a degree? ?? if u talk to people can u tell what kindof music they listen to--- it seems to me you really really can, just by their whole person....its like a stamp on the person almost...and i think it goes the other way around too, look at someones CD collection u learn SO soso much about the person Edited July 17, 2005 by Semperviva
Kilroy the Ninja Posted July 17, 2005 Posted July 17, 2005 I wonder what my collection would "say" about me..... I have just about everything out there... hmmmm
avemaria40 Posted July 17, 2005 Posted July 17, 2005 rock's all right, it isn't always antireligion, just look at U2, some of their songs are very Christian, and Switchfoot and Seven Sorrows are totally Christian. It's allright to listen to rock at home but i know that in Mass, there's no place for it, since it's supposed to be reverent. But ppl don't always listen to the same music u hear at Mass at a party, dance, or in car w/ur friends. also, would u not wear jeans at any other time since u don't wear them to Mass?
qfnol31 Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 I think it has to do with because of rock and roll people have forgotten real music. By real music I mean the classical stuff (and also chant), which I refer to as such because the music itself is actually more in line with life than rock or any other form.
|gnat| Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) Rock & Roll has forgotten what real music is? Tell that to the Beatles. Edited July 18, 2005 by |gnat|
Semperviva Posted July 18, 2005 Author Posted July 18, 2005 [quote name='avemaria40' date='Jul 17 2005, 03:04 PM']rock's all right, it isn't always antireligion, just look at U2, some of their songs are very Christian, and Switchfoot and Seven Sorrows are totally Christian. [right][snapback]646539[/snapback][/right] [/quote] True, [i]but a song is not just "speaking" through its words...[/i] ...i dunno if its fair to say the Beatles isin't music, its just not as sophisticated music as other music
Semperviva Posted July 18, 2005 Author Posted July 18, 2005 [quote name='qfnol31' date='Jul 17 2005, 10:39 PM']I think it has to do with because of rock and roll people have forgotten real music. [right][snapback]647041[/snapback][/right] [/quote] so is your point that- this is why the pope says rock is the vehicle of anti-religion?
Carrie Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 [quote name='Kilroy the Ninja' date='Jul 17 2005, 01:51 PM']I wonder what my collection would "say" about me..... I have just about everything out there... hmmmm [right][snapback]646389[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Same here. If people judged me by my music, well, let's just say it wouldn't be pretty.
Melchisedec Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 I think if you are going to go the route of the PMRC and 80s conservatives on rock. You need to lump in all secular music, especially rap! Lets not forget country music, which is mostly about fornicating , drinking beer, and causing trouble.
Semperviva Posted July 18, 2005 Author Posted July 18, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 18 2005, 02:34 PM']Same here. If people judged me by my music, well, let's just say it wouldn't be pretty. [right][snapback]648402[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i don't mean we can judge you per se, but know alot about you and what kindof person you are what you enjoy etc......i DO listen to rock btw i am not rtrying to say we shoulden't--- but i dunno...just music is very powerful is the point...any music whats PMRC Edited July 18, 2005 by Semperviva
curtins Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 I listen to punk rock- this is interesting to bring up I was gonna make a thread and still might- I asked a priest if its a sin to listen to music with curse words he said its not a sin but its not good to listen to music with the f word in it now I listen to punk rock and yes there are swaears and some songs are pretty bad- I dont listen to those songs which I know to be really bad either sexually explicit (although there arnt many of those) or a ton of swears etc etc So I pretty much screan my own music- and yes I still do listen to some songs with swears but should I stop listening to a great song that I enjoy because it says 1 or 2 or 3 swears? again I tend to make my own determination as to what I think is apporpriate for me
Semperviva Posted July 18, 2005 Author Posted July 18, 2005 [quote name='Melchisedec' date='Jul 18 2005, 03:52 PM']I think if you are going to go the route of the PMRC and 80s conservatives on rock. You need to lump in all secular music, especially rap! Lets not forget country music, which is mostly about fornicating , drinking beer, and causing trouble. [right][snapback]648497[/snapback][/right] [/quote] i agree about rap but rap is more blantantly disordered ... like its almost no discussion on that, u know the person in the song isin't really interested in anything except herself/himself and their own gratification....... don't think i want to do away with rock... i'm just bringing it up to discuss its weight and bearing on the spiritual life and [i]any [/i]music for that matter.... ALL music is powerful in forming a person's thoughts and puts forth not just lyrics, melody and rhthym, but an attitude and lifestyle within those three elements which we can start absorb without realizing it......
avemaria40 Posted July 18, 2005 Posted July 18, 2005 Semperviva, u make an excellent point. Ur absolutely right in saying that music is powerful, in fact, many early Church fathers banned instruments from liturgy and some even wanted to ban singing completely b/c at the time a lot of songs ended up causing orgies and stuff. but i don't think all rock is the vehicle of antireligion b/c of the bands i just pointed out. but of course, u wouldn't play it at Mass b/c Mass is supposed to be really reverent. Of course, many ppl aren't attracted to music just by lyrics alone but by the sound, beat and rhythm. so rock can be a good thing if ur trying to spread the faith
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