conservative interpretation of scripture

[ironmonk]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Jul 17 2005, 04:32 PM']I was just thinking about the last supper...........i have been skeptical about the bread representing body and wine representing blood. I have just come to the conclusion that it must be the actual body and blood of christ. I guess it just took a while to sink into my think skull. A fellow phatmasser/friend of mine told me a while a go that jesus would have said "this is a symbol of my body and a symbol of my blood" if it were trully a symbol. But he didnt. To interpret this as a symbol would be without logic furthermore would be a liberal interpretation. If you interpret anything liberally that jesus said.......you can twist the bible in anyway you choose. So what about revelations? Do we interpret this symbollically? Or any thing else in the bible?
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The Church is the only one who can properly interpret scripture. We laymen are not directly guided by the holy spirit in scripture. The Catholic Church leadership has Christ's promise that the Holy Spirit will guide it in all truth (St. John 14). Many verses in Scripture can have multiple meanings. There is a lot of info on Revelations written by the Early Church Fathers.... [url="http://www.NewAdvent.org/Fathers/"]http://www.NewAdvent.org/Fathers/[/url]

God Bless,
ironmonk

[infinitelord1]

[quote name='ironmonk' date='Jul 17 2005, 09:36 PM']The Church is the only one who can properly interpret scripture. We laymen are not directly guided by the holy spirit in scripture. The Catholic Church leadership has Christ's promise that the Holy Spirit will guide it in all truth (St. John 14).  Many verses in Scripture can have multiple meanings. There is a lot of info on Revelations written by the Early Church Fathers.... [url="http://www.NewAdvent.org/Fathers/"]http://www.NewAdvent.org/Fathers/[/url]

God Bless,
ironmonk
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i went to a catholic elementary school in burton, MI called Holy Redeemer..........the K of C would cook us pancake breakfasts for us once a year........have you been forkin out pancakes to young children again ironmonk? LOL.

[ironmonk]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Jul 17 2005, 08:00 PM']This is definitely a topic I want to revist when time permits. I've never quite grasped why we should eat christs flesh and blood.Sounds gross to me honestly.
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Study of Scripture could help you understand it.

[b]John 6:52 [/b]

The Jews quarreled among themselves, saying, "How can this man give us (his) flesh to eat?"
[b]53 [/b]
Jesus said to them, [b]"Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you.[/b]
[b]54 [/b][b]Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. [/b]
[b]55 [/b]For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.
[b]56 [/b]Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood remains in me and I in him.
[b]57 [/b]Just as the living Father sent me and I have life because of the Father, so also the one who feeds on me will have life because of me.
[b]58 [/b]This is the bread that came down from heaven. Unlike your ancestors who ate and still died, whoever eats this bread will live forever."


All Christians eat Christ's flesh... if not, then they are not really following the way of Christ.


[b]Ignatius of Antioch [/b]
"I have no taste for corruptible food nor for the pleasures of this life. I desire the bread of God, which is the flesh of Jesus Christ, who was of the seed of David; and for drink I desire his blood, which is love incorruptible" (Letter to the Romans 7:3 [A.D. 110]).

"Take note of those who hold heterodox opinions on the grace of Jesus Christ which has come to us, and see how contrary their opinions are to the mind of God. . . . They abstain from the Eucharist and from prayer because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ, flesh which suffered for our sins and which that Father, in his goodness, raised up again. They who deny the gift of God are perishing in their disputes" (Letter to the Smyrnaeans 6:2–7:1 [A.D. 110]).


[b]Justin Martyr [/b]
"We call this food Eucharist, and no one else is permitted to partake of it, except one who believes our teaching to be true and who has been washed in the washing which is for the remission of sins and for regeneration [i.e., has received baptism] and is thereby living as Christ enjoined. For not as common bread nor common drink do we receive these; but since Jesus Christ our Savior was made incarnate by the word of God and had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so too, as we have been taught, the food which has been made into the Eucharist by the Eucharistic prayer set down by him, and by the change of which our blood and flesh is nurtured, is both the flesh and the blood of that incarnated Jesus" (First Apology 66 [A.D. 151]).


[b]Irenaeus [/b]

"If the Lord were from other than the Father, how could he rightly take bread, which is of the same creation as our own, and confess it to be his body and affirm that the mixture in the cup is his blood?" (Against Heresies 4:33–32 [A.D. 189]).

"He has declared the cup, a part of creation, to be his own blood, from which he causes our blood to flow; and the bread, a part of creation, he has established as his own body, from which he gives increase unto our bodies. When, therefore, the mixed cup [wine and water] and the baked bread receives the Word of God and becomes the Eucharist, the body of Christ, and from these the substance of our flesh is increased and supported, how can they say that the flesh is not capable of receiving the gift of God, which is eternal life—flesh which is nourished by the body and blood of the Lord, and is in fact a member of him?" (ibid., 5:2).




Find more bible stuff here:
[url="http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_eucharist.html"]http://www.scripturecatholic.com/the_eucharist.html[/url]



God Bless,
ironmonk

[Melchisedec]

[quote name='infinitelord1' date='Jul 17 2005, 09:19 PM']
[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Jul 17 2005, 06:00 PM']
This is definitely a topic I want to revist when time permits. I've never quite grasped why we should eat christs flesh and blood.Sounds gross to me honestly.
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i would definetly eat jesus' flesh before i would eat yours
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Well...uhm..thank you...LOL

[Paladin D]

[quote name='Melchisedec' date='Jul 18 2005, 09:37 AM']Well...uhm..thank you...LOL 
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Well... I'm a cannibal.

[Quietfire]

[quote name='Quietfire' date='Jul 17 2005, 10:19 PM']Maybe this will help.

[url="http://members.aol.com/SocratesMG/index10a.html"]the Believer's Test[/url]

It really digs into this particular subject.

Pax
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btw, the link provided was originally given by Ironmonk sometime in the Phatmass past.
Thanks Monk.