Carrie Posted July 25, 2005 Author Posted July 25, 2005 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Jul 25 2005, 12:19 AM']Alright guys first remember that ya'll and I agree so I am not agrueing agianst you position, but I still think ya'll are missing the position Appy has he is contending that these guys are not Terrorist that there Jihad seperates them from a traditional Terrorist. And was that a Diary? I thought it was more like a guide given by a superior to the soldier. [right][snapback]657760[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I realize what Apotheoun is saying. But that is not how the conversation began or what the conservation was about. We were talking about terrorism in general. Apotheoun brought up the Jihads to prove his point, which just doesn't work. And thanks for standing with us on this one.
Don John of Austria Posted July 25, 2005 Posted July 25, 2005 Well it started with the London bombings so I thought it was about the Jihadest too. By the Way I wouldn't want someone looking through my luggage either, I don't think I'd allow it, I'd have to get a bike or something, if work was to far for a bicycle and I couldn't afford a car, bell that why mopeds and motorcycles where invented. But of course I am a radical who thinks everyone has the right to be armed anywhere and at all times so I find the looking for weapons offensive anyway.
Carrie Posted July 25, 2005 Author Posted July 25, 2005 [quote name='Don John of Austria' date='Jul 25 2005, 03:12 PM']By the Way I wouldn't want someone looking through my luggage either, I don't think I'd allow it, I'd have to get a bike or something [right][snapback]658357[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's actually not a bad idea and would be a fabulous workout everyday. Hmmmm. *note to self* Learn to ride a bike. Well, except in the snow. That might be a problem.
Carrie Posted July 26, 2005 Author Posted July 26, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 24 2005, 10:11 PM']Apotheoun, I've provided you with expert literature backing up my position. If I'm to take you seriously, I'd like to see some literature backing up your position. If you don't have any, I'll simply leave this as a matter of your opinion and certainly not your expertise. [right][snapback]657554[/snapback][/right] [/quote] bumper cars for Todd
Cam42 Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 22 2005, 04:44 PM']This is [b]exactly[/b] the point of terrorism. Terrorism is not about the killing, although massive deaths are a big bonus to them. Terrorism is about instilling fear and terror in people. [right][snapback]654744[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Hi again Carrie, Here is some interesting information. The USA PATRIOT Act defines terrorism as an activity that meets all of the following three criteria: 1. It intimidates or coerces the government or civil population 2. It breaks criminal laws 3. It endangers human life [url="http://www.usdoj.gov/criminal/CRMAnnualReport2004.pdf"]The 2004 US Department of Justice Annual Report [/url] prioritizes and summarizes the 2004 Statement from John Ashcroft on the issue. Here are some of the most credible theories as to the cause of terrorism: 1. Sociological explanations, which focus on the position of the perpetrators in society 2. Conflict theory which includes their relationship to those in power 3. Ideological explanations, which focus on the differences in ideology, and the different goals of the ideologies 4. Media theory explanations, which treat terrorist acts as a form of communication. Notice that murder is not listed anywhere. Here, also, are the most credible motives of groups for terrrorizing: 1. Reference to the ideals of the group, implying that they justify, in themselves, the actions. Separatist groups, for instance, often 2. Emphasise the name and flag of their future independent state. 3. Reference to historical grievances - usually the oppression of an ethnic or religious group. 4. Retaliation for specific acts, including ongoing military campaigns. Islamist groups, for instance, repeatedly refer to the occupation of Iraq in this context. 5. A specific demand related to the above factors, for instance the demand to withdraw troops from Iraq. Notice that murder is also not listed a motive. It is clear that the authorities on the matter consider terrorism as a means to either justify, emphasize, or retaliate. Not murder. The US Government defines terrorism as: [quote name='Title 22 of the US Code' date=' Section 2656f(d)']premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents, usually intended to influence an audience. The term "international terrorism" means terrorism involving the territory or the citizens of more than one country. The term "terrorist group" means any group that practices, or has significant subgroups that practice, international terrorism.[/quote] Under this definition, the US State Department and Canadian government define Hamas and Islamic Jihad as terrorist organizations, and outlaw all financial or logistical support for their activities. Even Yasser Arafat, writing in The New York Times on February 3, 2002, described Palestinian attacks against Israeli civilians as "terrorist." Does that help to support your position Carrie?
Carrie Posted July 27, 2005 Author Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Jul 27 2005, 09:11 AM']Does that help to support your position Carrie? [right][snapback]660671[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Help support it? Cam, you've proved my point!!! I think you deserve another kiss from a Democrat to be! Now, where [b]is[/b] Todd?
Jaime Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 27 2005, 08:21 AM']Help support it? Cam, you've proved my point!!! I think you deserve another kiss from a Democrat to be! Now, where [b]is[/b] Todd? [right][snapback]660703[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Just an FYI, Camster gets all the ladies in real life too!! Whenever Camster and I get together to hang out, the most common thing I hear from any women we come across is "So who's your friend?"
Carrie Posted July 27, 2005 Author Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 27 2005, 10:52 AM']Just an FYI, Camster gets all the ladies in real life too!! Whenever Camster and I get together to hang out, the most common thing I hear from any women we come across is "So who's your friend?" [right][snapback]660720[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Well, as much as he's valiantly defended my position on this thread, I can see how that would be. He screams "gentleman."
Carrie Posted July 27, 2005 Author Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='Cam42' date='Jul 27 2005, 10:57 AM'] But hot stuff is the one with the guitar..... [right][snapback]660724[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You both sound like ladies' men. Heartbreakers.
Carrie Posted July 27, 2005 Author Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 27 2005, 11:04 AM']Camster = hearbreaker hot stuff = heartburn [right][snapback]660734[/snapback][/right] [/quote] *hands hot stuff Tums*
mp15 Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 27 2005, 07:21 AM']Help support it? Cam, you've proved my point!!! I think you deserve another kiss from a Democrat to be! Now, where [b]is[/b] Todd? [right][snapback]660703[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Oh please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,switching parties because you honestly believe the Democratic party will suddenly wake up and start condemning abortion. As Apotheoun has already stated, you are naive. I always knew you where a closet Democrat.
Carrie Posted July 27, 2005 Author Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='mp15' date='Jul 27 2005, 11:23 AM']Oh please,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,switching parties because you honestly believe the Democratic party will suddenly wake up and start condemning abortion. As Apotheoun has already stated, you are naive. [right][snapback]660744[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Go to the Democrat thread and click on the Democrats for Life link. If you want to argue with me about it, we can do it there. This thread is for Civil rights and terrorism talk. [quote]I always knew you where a closet Democrat.[/quote] Was that supposed to be offensive? Cause its not. I'm glad I finally came out of the closet about that one. Whew! I'm relieved!
Jaime Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 We have a thread going about Democrats and I would personally love to see that get ressurrected again. I just bumped it for you.
mp15 Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Carrie' date='Jul 27 2005, 08:27 AM']Go to the Democrat thread and click on the Democrats for Life link. If you want to argue with me about it, we can do it there. This thread is for Civil rights and terrorism talk. Was that supposed to be offensive? Cause its not. I'm glad I finally came out of the closet about that one. Whew! I'm relieved! [right][snapback]660748[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Nope, it wasn't meant to be offensive at all. Although I must say, you do seem to get take offense rather easily. As for your political affiliations I could care less. I was just stating what I always knew based on our past dealings. If you can align your views with that of good ol’ Teddy, John, Chucky, Hilary, and the rest, then more power to you. I just wonder if you will have a good excuse when you get to the pearly gates. Edited July 27, 2005 by mp15
mp15 Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 27 2005, 08:28 AM']We have a thread going about Democrats and I would personally love to see that get ressurrected again. I just bumped it for you. [right][snapback]660751[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Thanks........................ If I have anything insightfull to add to that conversation then I'll jump right in.
Jaime Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 After the "pearly gates" comment I'm not going to hold my breath!
mp15 Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Jul 27 2005, 08:46 AM']After the "pearly gates" comment I'm not going to hold my breath! [right][snapback]660781[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Hardly a surprise............................. Coming from one who thinks they are so intellectual.
Carrie Posted July 27, 2005 Author Posted July 27, 2005 [quote name='mp15' date='Jul 27 2005, 11:39 AM']Nope, it wasn't meant to be offensive at all. Although I must say, you do seem to get take offense rather easily. As for your political affiliations I could care less. I was just stating what I always knew based on our past dealings. If you can align your views with that of good ol’ Teddy, John, Chucky, Hilary, and the rest, then more power to you. I just wonder if you will have a good excuse when you get to the pearly gates. [right][snapback]660768[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I'm not easily offended. [quote]I'm glad I finally came out of the closet about that one. Whew! I'm relieved![/quote] See, I joked with you? My humor needs work, I know! [quote]I was just stating what I always knew based on our past dealings.[/quote] I'm flattered you paid attention. [quote]I just wonder if you will have a good excuse when you get to the pearly gates.[/quote] Hey, I voted for Bush. I gotta get brownie points for that!
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