goldenchild17 Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 Is he a good guy to read? I got "Not By Faith Alone" awhile back and have not had the time to read it thoroughly. His argument that works refers to ALL works, not just works of the law is interesting and makes sense to me. But I've never heard it put forth by other theologians. I just wanted to know because I'm thinking about getting "Not By Bread Alone" and "Not By Scripture Alone".
phatcatholic Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 my impression of the general consensus is that his "Not Alone" series is still very well respected and recommended. i often see "Not By Faith Alone" presented as THE best refutation of Sola Fide ever written.
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 He actually writes some good stuff. Too bad he's a little on the edge when it comes to obedience. One of his staff people was banned from this board.
Cure of Ars Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 (edited) "Not By Faith Alone" is a great book but I would not listen to anything he has to say in regards to science. He uses the bible as a guide for the physical sciences and he looses credibility. I also have "Not By Bread Alone" which is an ok book but not as useful as "Not By Faith Alone". Edited July 27, 2005 by Cure of Ars
goldenchild17 Posted July 27, 2005 Author Posted July 27, 2005 It isn't as good, okay. Yeah because I've been skimming through and I don't remember seeing such a thorough covering of everything involving salvation and faith etc. What about his Scripture alone one?
p0lar_bear Posted July 27, 2005 Posted July 27, 2005 Robert Sungenius used to be an excellent Catholic apologist. His "Not. . . Alone" books are good resources. However, in the last several years he has rather gone off the deep-end. I would definitely avoid anything that he has written recently or at least read it with extreme caution.
goldenchild17 Posted July 28, 2005 Author Posted July 28, 2005 I think I want to question that though. [url="http://www.catholicintl.com/"]http://www.catholicintl.com/[/url] Seems he's got a lot of stuff on there. Besides the geocentrism stuff, which is wierd, I don't know if I can find anything outside the realm of Catholic teaching. Catholicism doesn't make any defining statements on these scientific things, so why can't he be a little(okay a lot) off in those regards and still be a good Catholic apologist?
Guest Eremite Posted July 28, 2005 Posted July 28, 2005 Stay far, far away from Robert Sungenis. On his website, he posts an interview with an SSPX Bishop who says, among other things: [quote]After that, to tell you the honest truth, I don’t expect a great deal from Rome as it stands. They are too far gone in the “New Religion,” and the “New Religion” is too radically different and distant from the True Religion.[/quote] What does Robert Sungenis think about this comment? Well, he tells us: [quote]Bishop Williamson's comments about the state of the Church and what he calls the "New Religion" are quite correct. [/quote] Robert Sungenis believes that Rome is "too far gone in" some "new religion". In other words, Rome is alienated from the "True Religion". Compare this with the traditional understanding of the Roman Church, expressed by Pope Damasus: [quote]The holy Roman Church has been placed at the forefront not by the conciliar decisions of other Churches, but has received the primacy by the evangelic voice of our Lord and Savior.... The first see, therefore, is that of Peter the Apostle, that of the Roman Church, which has neither stain nor blemish nor anything like it.[/quote]
goldenchild17 Posted July 28, 2005 Author Posted July 28, 2005 Is that from the website I posted above? Basically what I want to know is, does he hold to Schismatic beliefs? Or is he just very traditional? Please give statements or writings of his that would make this clear.
Ziggamafu Posted July 28, 2005 Posted July 28, 2005 i think the guy is a nut, from what little i understand. he is a geo-centrist and about one inch shy from being an ultra-traditionalist. BUT his "alone" series is very cool and handy.
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted July 28, 2005 Posted July 28, 2005 At least he recognizes you don't have to be a geocentrist to be a Catholic.
Guest Eremite Posted July 28, 2005 Posted July 28, 2005 [quote]Is that from the website I posted above?[/quote] Yes, that is from his website. [quote]Basically what I want to know is, does he hold to Schismatic beliefs? Or is he just very traditional? [/quote] I don't see anything "traditional" about believing Rome is alienated from the "True religion".
Honour Posted July 29, 2005 Posted July 29, 2005 [quote name='thedude' date='Jul 28 2005, 06:03 AM']At least he recognizes you don't have to be a geocentrist to be a Catholic. [right][snapback]662284[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Stupid question...what is a geocentrist?
phatcatholic Posted July 29, 2005 Posted July 29, 2005 a geocentrist believes the earth is the center of our galaxy, instead of the sun
phatcatholic Posted July 29, 2005 Posted July 29, 2005 btw, i have articles in defense of both positions (heliocentrism vs. geocentrism) in the Faith and Science entry
Honour Posted July 29, 2005 Posted July 29, 2005 [quote name='phatcatholic' date='Jul 28 2005, 05:37 PM']a geocentrist believes the earth is the center of our galaxy, instead of the sun [right][snapback]663107[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Fascinating... I thought I had obviosly missed something...I mean NOBODY still believes the sun revolves around the Earth....right. Wrong, you learn something everyday.
phatcatholic Posted July 29, 2005 Posted July 29, 2005 yup, crazy huh? the thing is tho, when you read his arguments, they are pretty convincing. i don't know how to refute them, so i just go w/ what i've always known (since it doesn't really matter) and i leave the debate to the astrophysicists
Guest Eremite Posted July 29, 2005 Posted July 29, 2005 [quote name='Honour' date='Jul 28 2005, 08:40 PM']Fascinating... I thought I had obviosly missed something...I mean NOBODY still believes the sun revolves around the Earth....right. Wrong, you learn something everyday. [right][snapback]663203[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I hesitate to introduce you to the Flat Earth Society. [url="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html"]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html[/url]
Honour Posted August 2, 2005 Posted August 2, 2005 [quote name='Eremite' date='Jul 29 2005, 02:06 PM']I hesitate to introduce you to the Flat Earth Society. [url="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html"]http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/flatearth.html[/url] [right][snapback]664316[/snapback][/right] [/quote] well thats....interesting. The adress for the guy that runs it is like 20 min away from me....well you know what they say about California....it is the land of fruits and nuts.
phatcatholic Posted August 2, 2005 Posted August 2, 2005 [quote name='Honour' date='Aug 2 2005, 06:32 AM']well thats....interesting. The adress for the guy that runs it is like 20 min away from me....well you know what they say about California....it is the land of fruits and nuts. [right][snapback]668348[/snapback][/right] [/quote] hehe, word
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