Catholics for Condoms? :(

[thessalonian]

He can excommunicate them on the spot.

[url="http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=1045186&page=1"]http://www.abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=1045186&page=1[/url]

Or perhaps give a dispensation for those who are around them from being civil.

I'm sick of this kind of carp.

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[dspen2005]

one of the coalition member speaks of a need for Catholics to be able to decide for themselves what to do in regards to sexual health and reproductive responsibility. the Church doesn't argue this point -- free will allows one to decide -- but to remain a faithful Catholic, loyal to the Church, and abiding under God's Law, Natural Law, artificial contraception is a sin... PERIOD!!!!

[homeschoolmom]

Good grief... they act as though this generation was the first one to ever want to have sex. ("The Church is out of touch...") People have always wanted to have sex... but people have been willing to submit to the authority of the Church and be chaste. The Church doen't conform to us (thank goodness), people's hearts and behavior have to conform to Christ.

[Nicole8223]

[quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Aug 18 2005, 10:42 AM']Good grief... they act as though this generation was the first one to ever want to have sex. ("The Church is out of touch...") People have always wanted to have sex... but people have been willing to submit to the authority of the Church and be chaste. The Church doen't conform to us (thank goodness), people's hearts and behavior have to conform to Christ.
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I know, seriously....these people are ridiculous.

Imagine how accountable they will be held for the people who they try to convince about these ideas. Man, I wouldn't wanna be near them when God gets a hold of 'em....

[thessalonian]

The fact is they just don't get it. People have been trying to change the Catholic Church's stand on various moral issues for 2000 years. What makes them think they will be successful. Now if I were on their side I would be a bit concerned because scripture says "the gates of hell shall not prevail". That would make them aligned with the gates of hell.

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[Didacus]

[quote]O'Gorman believes that most of her peers and many Catholics believe in the use of condoms, which is why she's pushing for change. "I think the church leaders hold views that are out of touch with most Catholics and [they] promote policies that aren't smart," she said. The group has sponsored an ad campaign, "Condoms 4 Life," with the multilingual slogan "Good Catholics Use Condoms" in the Cologne subway to further the coalition's cause [/quote]

promote policies that are not smart? There they go again, attacking someone's intelligence if they don't agree with their frail views. SFD!!!

And I agree, the Vatican does not push 'smart' policies, they push 'Saintly' policies. I'd rather be saint than smart...unfortunately, I don't seem to have either one.



[quote]For Sister Anne, regardless of the protest, she believes young Catholics are increasingly accepting and promoting abstinence. She claims there has already been a noticeable change in attitudes about abortion in recent years. "The whole abortion-on-demand concept, if you look at young people, they're not accepting of that perhaps like previous generations before," she said. [/quote]

I pray she is right... I pray she is right...


[b]Viva Benedict XVI, long may he be our pope![/b]



[i]And, thinking of you my papa, love and hope - I thank you for both.
JP the Great - forever my papa.[/i]

[Paladin D]

Idiots.

[Didacus]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Aug 18 2005, 09:50 AM']The fact is they just don't get it.  People have been trying to change the Catholic Church's stand on various moral issues for 2000 years.  What makes them think they will be successful.  Now if I were on their side I would be a bit concerned because scripture says "the gates of hell shall not prevail".  That would make them aligned with the gates of hell.
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Waht makes them think they can change the church?

Somehting I like to arrogance - to think they know more on right and wrong, good and evil, than thousands of saints, popes, brilliant clergy men and woman who wrote more about sainthood than they could ever bare to read.

[thessalonian]

One other thing about condoms. STDs among the sexually active is at 50%. Now for the most part I doudt most of those who are getting STD's are Catholic so they don't follow the Pope anyway. Those who are having sex of course aren't following him either. duh. Further these people need to listen to Pam Stenzel fire off statistics. Condoms are not an effective way to reduce STDs or pregnancy for that matter. Genital contact alone can transmit STD's. Now it may reduce the russian roulette from 3 out of 6 chambers loaded to 1 out of 6 but then it will increase promiscuity. It's just nutz.

[Paladin D]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Aug 18 2005, 10:57 AM']It's just nutz.
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[Brother Adam]

I try to drown them out. They won't go away and they won't accomplish anything ever.

[Didacus]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Aug 18 2005, 09:57 AM']One other thing about condoms.  STDs among the sexually active is at 50%.  Now for the most part I doudt most of those who are getting STD's are Catholic so they don't follow the Pope anyway.  Those who are having sex of course aren't following him either.  duh.  Further these people need to listen to Pam Stenzel fire off statistics.  Condoms are not an effective way to reduce STDs or pregnancy for that matter.  Genital contact alone can transmit STD's.  Now it may reduce the russian roulette from 3 out of 6 chambers loaded to 1 out of 6 but then it will increase promiscuity.  It's just nutz.
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Would you know of any interesting links where one can access these stats.

I am currently in a long discussion (I'm talking months here) with my older sisters on this issue. (One of them is a lawyer, the other is a doctor: talk about rough going!). I like to keep a certain repertoire of these stats, so if you can post them... or maybe pm me?

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Didacus' date='Aug 18 2005, 10:13 AM']Would you know of any interesting links where one can access these stats.

I am currently in a long discussion (I'm talking months here) with my older sisters on this issue.  (One of them is a lawyer, the other is a doctor: talk about rough going!).  I like to keep a certain repertoire of these stats, so if you can post them... or maybe pm me?
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Here is an article that gives some of her stats.:

[url="http://www.prolife.com/stenzel.htm"]http://www.prolife.com/stenzel.htm[/url]

and her site:

[url="http://www.pamstenzel.com/home.html"]http://www.pamstenzel.com/home.html[/url]

I have some of her videos and highly recommend them. She's blunt but these days you need to be. I can tell my two teenage boys were deeply affected by going and hearing her speak and seeing the three videos we have.

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[Sirklawd]

I DONT GET IT. how can this person say the catholic teaching on sex is not safe?!?

"have sex with only one person ever and only when your mature and selfless enough to do it right"

WOW, stds will SURELY spread under this method...

good grief, urge to slap rising...

[Luthien]

I would like to lay the proverbial "smack down" on these people...

[sweetpea316]

[quote name='Luthien' date='Aug 18 2005, 11:21 AM']I would like to lay the proverbial "smack down" on these people...
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Can I help? I can use my fish...

[Sirklawd]

[quote name='sweetpea316' date='Aug 18 2005, 11:31 AM']Can I help?  I can use my fish... 
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LOL best emoticon ever

[thessalonian]

Didacus,

The CDC site might be of some use to you as well in your discussions.

[url="http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/disease_info.htm"]http://www.cdc.gov/nchstp/dstd/disease_info.htm[/url]

[url="http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm"]http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/stats.htm[/url]

[Didacus]

Many many thanks Thes....



Many thanks!

[azaelia]

The local "Catholic" college has one of their posters hanging in the doctor's office.