Extra Eclesia Nulla....

[Aloysius]

it doesn't matter. the Church teaches that all the priest must do is say the right words and have the intention to absolve you of your sins. he doesn't even have to have the intention to absolve them as mortal sins or absolve them as venial sins, he simply must have the intention to absolve them.

if a priest does the formula wrong, call him on it, ask him if he will do it right. don't be afraid of that.

and yes we know there are abuses of general absolution, illicit and in many cases invalid.

you should be aware, however, that there is a traditional doctrine of the Church whereby if there is some problem inherent to the confession that you were unaware of, the principle of Ecclesia Supplet applies, whereby the Church spiritually provides any missing elements of the sacrament.

this applies to no other sacrament. if you were to be aware of something wrong with the confession, you would be obliged to go to confession again and receive the sacrament licitly. but if you are unaware, the Absolution is made valid by the Church supplying that which is necessary to make the Sacrament valid.

[brendan1104]

"... the post-Conciliar Church consistently downgrades the reality and gravity of mortal sin, the benefits of confessing venial sins, the graces to be obtained from frequent confession, and the necessity of doing penance. "


i agree with this.

priests have said to me, upon confession mortal sins,

"don't worry about it"

"that's not sin".

so....


but you're right, all that's needed is the proper intention, and a validly ordained priest, as well as a truly contrite penitent.

[qfnol31]

Doesn't matter what the Priest says, as long as you have absolution.

If you die tomorrow, much better to be in a state of grace than a state of mortal sin, no matter where your loyalties lie.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

fa shaw

[brendan1104]

no kidding.

however, when in doubt, you cant go through with something.

that too, is the Church's teaching....

i agree with you tho.

[StColette]

I'm starting to believe this thread should be moved to debate table

[Aloysius]

I love the Latin Indult Church I go to. I used to get yelled at by priests for wanting to go to confession weekly, and I'd always argue "but the pope goes weekly!" and they'd always still be like "you're being too scrupulous" (a traditional word they like to steal and use to mean you should never be sorry for sin)

but now, every sunday starting a half hour before mass and ending at the sanctus they offer confessions... the lines are really looooong too which I always have mixed feelings about... on one hand "great! all these people receiving sacramental grace!" and on the other hand "great, this is a long line... am I gonna make it before the Sanctus? am I gonna end up in the confessional during the homily? o man it's Father Myers! he has awesome homilies... please don't have me end up in the soundproof confessional during his homily!"

lol

[Fidei Defensor]

[quote name='brendan1104' date='Aug 18 2005, 09:55 PM']"... the post-Conciliar Church consistently downgrades the reality and gravity of mortal sin, the benefits of confessing venial sins, the graces to be obtained from frequent confession, and the necessity of doing penance. "
i agree with this.

priests have said to me, upon confession mortal sins,

"don't worry about it"

"that's not sin".

so....
but you're right, all that's needed is the proper intention, and a validly ordained priest, as well as a truly contrite penitent.
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The Church is not doing that. Misguided priests are not the Church.

[qfnol31]

Actually, there shouldn't be too much to doubt. I've been told I might be scrupulous, or putting God in a box, but I've never been denied absolution.

And if my Confessions didn't stay between me and the Priest, and you knew both of us, you would understand better how much this means.

[qfnol31]

I'm surprised how little I get told not to go so often. I just mix up the Priests when that becomes a concern.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Aug 18 2005, 10:50 PM']this is true im very proud. But that is not why i don't go to confession.
it  is not easy to have the assurance of a valid absolution, given the fact that the post-Conciliar Church consistently downgrades the reality and gravity of mortal sin, the benefits of confessing venial sins, the graces to be obtained from frequent confession, and the necessity of doing penance.
Post-Conciliar priest may or may not  trivialize of their sins.

im not going to take that risk and than have to doubt wether or not im in a stae of grace.
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Really now? My parish in Lincoln had Confession everyday, and it was almost always too short to hear every Confession. This being in an obviously post-Conciliar parish. They trivialize sins no less than St. Alphonsus de Liguori did. Read his writings and I bet you'd consider them very "liberal" on Confession.

How about we blame the abuses, not the Council?