Traditionalists

[brendan1104]

That poll wasn't helpful, in my opinion that is...

so:

if you go to the indult, please say so.

if you go to the sspx chapels, please say so.

if you are sedevacantist, and attend these chapels, please say so.

[brendan1104]

I sing and serve at the indult Mass...

[Thy Geekdom Come]

I'm not a traditionalist (at least not in the sense you use the word).

However, when I do go to Tridentine Mass, it is always celebrated in full communion with the Church, at an indult Mass.

[Cam42]

[quote name='brendan1104' date='Aug 19 2005, 12:08 PM']That poll wasn't helpful, in my opinion that is...

so:

if you go to the indult, please say so.

if you go to the sspx chapels, please say so.

if you are sedevacantist, and attend these chapels, please say so.
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Let's see.....I go to the indult (I serve, emcee, and can serve as a sub-deacon, due to the fact that I am an installed acolyte, which I have done. I can also serve as a vested cross bearer. I can also emcee a solemn pontifical high Mass, from either the faldstool or from the solemn entrance, you pick.)

I refuse to have anything to do with the SSPX, short of apologetics and helping them to reconcile with Rome. They are in schism.

And I am not sedevanctist (except when the current Holy Father dies. So, in my life, I have been a sedevacantist 3 times, with the deaths of Paul VI, JPI and JPII.) There is an unbroken line of popes, dating to St. Peter, with the most recent Holy Father being Benedict XVI. Sedevacantism, as a sustained position is a theological error.

[p0lar_bear]

I am not a “traditionalist” in regard to the form of the Mass. However, I am a traditionalist in that I love and embrace all tradition, which is a living reality that extends throughout all of Church history to the present.

[Era Might]

I'm a Roman Catholic, and I attend the Tridentine Mass as well as the Pauline Mass.

[Sarah_JC]

What's a sedevacantist?

[the_rev]

[quote]What's a sedevacantist?[/quote]

[p0lar_bear]

[quote name='Sarah_JC' date='Aug 19 2005, 04:07 PM']What's a sedevacantist?
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Someone who believes that there is no legitimate pope (that the seat is vacant). So between the death of John Paul the Great and the election of Benedict XVI, we were all sedevacantists. In general, sedevacantists disagree with what the Church taught in Vatican II and after. Rather than admit that they are wrong or that they are apart from the true Church, they maintain that the popes since Pius XII were not really popes (for various reasons) and that they have no obligation to follow the "heretical" teachings of the current magisterium. (NB: The teachings are not heretical, but sedevacantists will claim that they are).

[brendan1104]

Ok, go here:

[url="http://www.answers.com/sedevacantist"]http://www.answers.com/sedevacantist[/url] .

Basically they haven't believed there's been a true pope since the death of Pope Pius XII and subsequent elections have been invalid to heretical beliefs, etc.

[son_of_angels]

I am a traditionalist, like every other believing Catholic. I also participate in both the Tridentine Mass and the Novus Ordo, and think sedevacantists are one candle short of a full altar.

[p0lar_bear]

[quote name='son_of_angels' date='Aug 19 2005, 04:17 PM']sedevacantists are one candle short of a full altar.
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[the_rev]

Sedevacantism is the belief that since the time of Pope John XXIII (who called the Second Vatican Council in the early 1960s) the office of pope of the Roman Catholic Church has not been legitimately held by the persons widely acknowledged as pope, sitting in the Vatican. The term sede vacante is Latin for empty chair. In standard Catholic Church usage, it refers to the vacancy in the papal office between the death or resignation of the pope and the election of his successor. Most sedevacantists hold that the office has been vacant since 1958, the year when Pope John XXIII was elected. Some Sedevacantists have elected "legitimate" pontiffs, generally held to be antipopes. These are known as Conclavists, see below.

[brendan1104]

Funny...

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

I try to go to the Indult mass as frequently as possibile but its hard because no one in my family likes the Old Mass. But we have an indult in my town.

[avemaria40]

The only Mass my church offers is Novus Ordo but i would love to attend an Indult Mass
I would never attend SSPX or Sedevacantist chapel b/c I'd feel disloyal to the Church if i went, also, why go there when i can go to an Indult Mass?

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

I'de like to go to an indult Mass, but the nearest is 45 minutes away.

[MC Just]

I'm a traditionalist. (obviously not schismatic). I dont like the modern mind. I dont like what ive seen in many modernized catholic parishes either. So i go to a Parish that offers the Traditional Latin Mass. (Faithful to the Vatican.).

Edited August 20, 2005 by MC Just

[qfnol31]

I want to go to the Tridentine Mass, but there is only one a week in my diocese. If I weren't in school right now this would be much easier, since it's later Sunday evening.

However, I'm hopeful that since we have a new Bishop that might change.

I attend the Novus Ordo half the time, but there are a few reasons that I've had to weigh in my mind.

1) The only Tridentine in my area is fine, but it's later Sunday evening and in the middle of Ft. Worth. So beyond the obvious problems of time, distance isn't exactly great. It is nicely done, but not necessarily reverent. This actually happens to be because a three-person choir tries to do the high Mass, and it actually is kinda disheartening.

2) The only Tridentine Mass (besides the one I would have to wake up at 5:30 or earlier to attend on weekdays, which is impossible with my schedule) is on Sundays at 9:00. If I go to that, while I'm at school I have to leave at 8:00 if not earlier, and the last time I was there the choir had this attitude that they should try and sing loudest. Since I went to Roma, that has supposedly changed, but right now it is probably an hour and a half from me. I hope to try and go back there if that is the case, and with my busy school schedule I can do it.

When I'm done with school, I might go more often, as I love the Liturgy. :

The other reason I go to the Novus Ordo is because I'm not yet an altar boy for the Tridentine. Though the word yet should be a clue that I hope to learn really soon. This isn't a main reason, but it does contribute.

Music, however, is once again a problem. Maybe I put too much emphasis on it, but I think that the music is an outpouring of the love put into the Mass. It not only accompanies the Mass, but has the power to make or break it. It shows how much the people want to be there, and for what reasons.

Now my views don't necessarily reflect this. I don't care much for the Novus Ordo much of the time, though that isn't because of the Mass itself, rather what it has become. I don't like the liberties taken.

For starters I don't like EMHCs at all. Not one bit. I like the people who EM, and am friends with many, but the practice saddens me (amongst other things).

I don't like the English language being used so much. I think Latin is better and is much more universal. Though I may only have a limited view as I've so far only been to Mass in English, French, Spanish, Italian, Greek, German, Hungarian, and Latin. I think that Latin is much easier to catch on to and learn, at least over the Hungarian and German. (Though, I must admit, German can be so much fun to use in daily life!!). If you travel like I do, you either learn seven different languages or you learn one. Not to mention that Latin is the Church's language.

Anecdote tangent: I went into the bookstore at my parish the other day and asked for some books on Eastern Catholicism. I was told that they had none, which to me made since. Then I asked for books on specifically "Latin Catholicism" and was once again told that they had none. What's wrong with this? ..... We live in the Latin Church, unless you're Eremite or Apotheoun (or a few others on here).

I don't care for the placement of the Priest at an Altar closer, nor do I care for him facing the people. I think it's a distraction, and for those of you who say otherwise, you should be an altar boy facing the people. Anyways.

Now you know my beef with the Novus Ordo. Wanna hear what I have to say about Vatican II? You'll have to wait.

Only difference between me and most Traditionalists I know is that I have actually read much of Vatican II and learned how to use it to argue the same things they do.

[curtins]

whats trideinteine and sspx