Traditionalists

[qfnol31]

Tridentine is the old Latin Mass.

SSPX is a schismatic group that broke away by the Consecration of four Bishops against the authority of the Holy Father who claim that Vatican II is in error, along with the Holy Father regarding the Tridentine Mass. They say no one can do away with that Mass because of the words from the document which instituted that Mass, Quo Primum.

Of course, this isn't exactly true.

[cmotherofpirl]

I am thrilled every Sunday not to be at a Trid Mass. I didn't like it when I was younger and I like it less even now.
Mass in my parish is sung and done exactly as the rubrics require.

[curtins]

so whats the difference between a tridentente mass and a regular mass besides ones latin and ones english (or whatever the local lanugae happens to be)?

[Aloysius]

the NORM for the regular mass is also Latin, there is permitted PARTS of it to be in the vernacular, if we are to follow the Second Vatican Council

[qfnol31]

[quote name='curtins' date='Aug 19 2005, 11:02 PM']so whats the difference between a tridentente mass and a regular mass besides ones latin and ones english (or whatever the local lanugae happens to be)?
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LoL, in a way tons. In some ways not very much...it's kinda a loaded question...

[goldenchild17]

I currently am going to a Tridentine Mass of the FSSP. I have been doing research on different things pertaining to this subject and can't really say what I am as I have not finished my study. All I can say is that I am Catholic, faithful to the Church in all it's doctrines.

Edited August 20, 2005 by goldenchild17

[Laudate_Dominum]

I'm a traditionalist in that I have traditional sensibilities and I believe in the superiority of the "democracy of the dead" over the idiotic spirit of the age.

[FlyLikeABird]

I'm a traditionalist who attends Novus Ordo Mass mostly. I enjoy the Latin Mass when I can get to it (usually very busy at that time). I remain Faithful to the Magisterium and am sede-whatsit when the pope dies. I serve as an assistant to the interpreter for the Deaf at my parish and have in the past served as a sacristan and altar server. I am also head of Youth Ministry for our Deaf community, among other roles.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='FlyLikeABird' date='Aug 20 2005, 02:43 AM']I'm a traditionalist who attends Novus Ordo Mass mostly. I enjoy the Latin Mass when I can get to it (usually very busy at that time). I remain Faithful to the Magisterium and[b] am sede-whatsit when the pope dies[/b]. I serve as an assistant to the interpreter for the Deaf at my parish and have in the past served as a sacristan and altar server. I am also head of Youth Ministry for our Deaf community, among other roles.
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LOL! Good one.

That sounds so neat. Phatmassers are so interesting...

I would like to stress your point for myself, I am Faithful to the Magisterium. If I see a car and it looks candy apple red, but the Church declares that its blue, it's blue! I must be color blind. And I'll take that to the stake and pyre.

[FlyLikeABird]

I'll agree that it's blue, but I'd be willing to debate that it's purple! I like debate and think it's healthy. : But then again, if I found that the arguement was completly ludicris I would drop it and walk away.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='FlyLikeABird' date='Aug 20 2005, 02:52 AM']I'll agree that it's blue, but I'd be willing to debate that it's purple! I like debate and think it's healthy. : But then again, if I found that the arguement was completly ludicris I would drop it and walk away.
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I would be willing to debate the matter too, but I would die before giving formal assent to a heretical proposition. And in my experience debate is unhealthy far too often. I used to be all about it.. I still think it certainly has its place. But the Church was not entrusted with the Gospel to debate it with the world, but to proclaim it and live it out. Only insofar as debate serves this end does it interest me anymore.

[FlyLikeABird]

Ditto! I like to play Devil's Advocate, but I will not slander the Church or leave myself open to heretical accusations. I always state when I am playing D's.A. and make it plain that it is NOT my view. I will not argue against the Gospel but over issues that are not linked to the Gospel I will debate! (I'm pretty sure the colour of a car is not biblically significant)

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='FlyLikeABird' date='Aug 20 2005, 03:11 AM']Ditto! I like to play Devil's Advocate, but I will not slander the Church or leave myself open to heretical accusations. I always state when I am playing D's.A. and make it plain that it is NOT my view. I will not argue against the Gospel but over issues that are not linked to the Gospel I will debate! (I'm pretty sure the colour of a car is not biblically significant)
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LOL yes, the colour of a car was just a silly illustration. But if the Church defines something it is a part of the deposit of Faith and therefore the message of Salvation. To deny the teachings of Christ's Church is to deny Christ. If I sound too radical or unreasonable I would have to disagree because throughout the Bible there are situations like this. The best is when Christ proclaimed the truth of the Eucharist in John 6 and many walked away because it sounded absurd. The apostles certainly didn't understand, but they continued to follow Christ and believe in Him.
And whoever who hears His Apostoles and their successors hears Christ Himself.
That's how I look at it, and I think this is the truly "traditional" perspective.. To presume to be a true Catholic and attack His Church doesn't even make sense in my mind.. This is why so many radical traditionalist boggle my mind.. They would do well to appreciate the state of the Church prior to, and at the time of the Tridentine era.. The true reformers and champions of the Faith were loyal to the Magisterium unto death. The Theatines, the Jesuits, etc..

[FlyLikeABird]

Amen, my friend. Amen. To deny our true faith is not right. I also believe that to believe one must be properly informed. This is the reason I play D's.A. I use the arguements of my enemy to proove the truths of the Catholic Church! Just as Christ himself and Paul knew the Jewish faith and pointed out the flaws. Without correct knowledge you are more likely to misrepresent! (Talk about yammerin on )

[Laudate_Dominum]

I found a phat quote from Saint Ignatius that says the same thing I was trying to say:

"We should always be disposed to believe that that which appears white is really black, if the hierarchy of the Church so decides."

And this does not mean we should not seek to understand. One of the definitions of Theology that I prefer is Fides Quaerens Intellectum (Faith seeking understanding). A true and living faith transcends the frailty of skepticism, but strives to go ever deeper into the Mystery.

[FlyLikeABird]

[Laudate_Dominum]

Catholicism rocks!!

[popestpiusx]

I am a traditonalist. I attend the Tridentine Mass every Sunday and occasionally during the week if one is available. I drive an hour and a half (give or take) with my wife and two kids (soon to be three) every Sunday to Old St. Mary's in Washington DC, which is under the Archdiocese.

I attend the Tridentine Mass exclusively. If it is imposssible to get to it, I go to the Melkite Divine Liturgy. I attend the Novus Ordo as a last resort, usually only for unavoidable weddings and funerals. But attend it I will, if I must.

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 19 2005, 11:56 PM']I am thrilled every Sunday not to be at a Trid Mass. I didn't like it when I was younger and I like it less even now.
Mass in my parish is sung and done exactly as the rubrics require.
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Very interesting. I feel very similar, but with regards to the N,O, instead.

[p0lar_bear]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 20 2005, 12:56 AM']I am thrilled every Sunday not to be at a Trid Mass. I didn't like it when I was younger and I like it less even now.
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The vast majority of people I know who are old enough to remember the Tridentine liturgy feel this way.