StColette Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 Pope to meet traditionalist leader Vatican, Aug. 23 (CWNews.com) - Pope Benedict XVI (bio - news) will meet with Bishop Bernard Fellay, the superior-general of the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X (SSPX), on August 29, to discuss the prospects for reconciliation between the Vatican and the schismatic group. Although the Vatican has not yet confirmed plans for the meeting, officials of the Roman Curia have unofficially acknowledged the accuracy of reports within the SSPX about the coming meeting. According to those reports, Bishop Fellay will meet with the Pontiff and with Cardinal Dario Castrillon Hoyos (bio - news), the prefect of the Congregation for the Clergy. Cardinal Castrillon Hoyos was charged by Pope John Paul II (bio - news) with the task of seeking to restore unity with the traditionalists. Bishop Fellay will be accompanied to the meeting by Abbot Arnaud Sélégny, the secretary-general of the SSPX. The talks will take place at the Pope's summer residence in Castel Gandolfo. The SSPX was founded by the late Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre, an outspoken defender of the Latin Mass and critic of Vatican II statements on religious freedom. Archbishop Lefebvre was excommunicated in 1988 after he ordained four new bishops for the traditionalist group in defiance of a Vatican ban. Bishop Richard Williamson, the director of an SSPX seminary in Argentina, disclosed plans for the meeting with Pope Benedict in an internet newsletter. Bishop Williamson, the leader of a hard-line faction within the traditionalist group, made it clear that he was unhappy with the prospects for the meeting. In a July interview with an SSPX publication, Bishop Fellay said that when he met with Pope Benedict, he would ask the Pontiff to authorize the universal use of the Tridentine mass. He also said that he would ask the Pope to retract the decrees of excommunication against Archbishop Lefebvre and the bishops he consecrated. Bishop Fellay added that these two requests would be the starting point for discussions with the Holy See. He added that traditionalists would also wish to discuss doctrinal issues, but the freedom to celebrate the Latin Mass would be a concrete step forward, bringing about an immediate "change of atmosphere and spirit within the Church." Most traditionalists were encouraged when Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger-- who is known for his sympathy toward the Latin Mass -- was elected Roman Pontiff. But traditionalist critics like Bishop Williamson question whether it is possible to reach accord with any Pope who upholds the teachings of Vatican II. Talks between the Holy See and the SSPX have been marked by frustration, with each prospect for reconciliation thwarted by the adamant opposition of hard-line traditionalists within the schismatic group, or progressive prelates in Rome. Serious negotiations began in 2000, when Pope John Paul launched a drive for a reconciliation during the Jubilee Year. But despite several rumors of an imminent accord-- and a separate agreement that restored full communion between the Vatican and another breakaway traditionalist group in Brazil-- the talks to date have been unfruitful. Pope Benedict XVI is well placed to conduct negotiations with the traditionalist group. As prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith he engaged in last-minute talks with Archbishop Lefebvre, in an unsuccessful bid to forestall the rupture in 1988. In 2002, he corresponded privately with Bishop Fellay in another bid to resume the theological dialogue.
Piccoli Fiori JMJ Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 We should say some prayers that some good fruits come from this meeting! I think if we all back Papa Ben, many good things could come from this!
Aloysius Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 really pray... this could really save the society from the absurdity it has fell into while outside of the Church and turn it into something good like the FSSP Pope St. Pius X, pray for us.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 (edited) i already posted this! : nothing is going to happen because it would betray tradition. Edited August 23, 2005 by Extra ecclesiam nulla salus
StColette Posted August 23, 2005 Author Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Aug 23 2005, 12:58 PM']i already posted this! : nothing is going to happen because it would betray tradition. [right][snapback]695743[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Sorry didn't see it posted. I'm not even goin to get into the second comment you made, because I want to stay charitable
Aloysius Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 well this is from the Vatican, and as such has a little more credibility. IF nothing happened, THEN it would betray the tradition of unity under the See of Peter. pray and hope for reconciliation... discord in the Church greives Our Lord so.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 someday when the Vatican Reconginzes their never was a schism and everyone is at Tridentine mass on sunday and True Ecumenicism is restored. Benedict XVI will come out with this triple crown tiara it will be great i can see it now.................
Pio Nono Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 JMJ 8/23 - St. Rose of Lima And just who in the sam-hill do they think they are, making demands of Holy Mother Church? "So long as we can do what we wanted to do in the first place with the blessing of the Vatican, then we'll talk." Si....como NO! Traditionalists are all about authority - why won't they bend to authority in this instance? Because they're right and the Vatican is wrong? Is Martin Luther their patron saint?
EcceNovaFacioOmni Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 This would be awesome. I think the SSPX will eventually unite to Rome, but of course there will always be those like Bishop Williamson...
SarahB Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 EENS, I have a quesiton for you, and this is totally sincere and I'm not trying to be difficult or anything. But I'm wondering.....lets says something comes of this meeting and by some miracle the SSPX decide to reunite with Rome. How would you feel about that? Would you then conclude that the SSPX were wrong and continue to reject the authority of Rome?
RC_ Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 I'd like to see the SSPX return...they're good people.
MC Just Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 I believe SSPX will unite with Rome and Rome will allow the Tridentine Mass worldwide. Pope Benedict XVI plans on changing the Vatican's Liturgy back to the old Latin Liturgy anyhow. What are we going to do? Continue letting pagans and non-catholics design our parishes and liturgies? That is just wrong. Papa Benedictt XVI sees this and plans on fixing it.
SarahB Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='MC Just' date='Aug 23 2005, 04:44 PM']Pope Benedict XVI plans on changing the Vatican's Liturgy back to the old Latin Liturgy anyhow. [right][snapback]696044[/snapback][/right] [/quote] : I can't wait until this takes place. Hopefully it will stay that way.
StColette Posted August 23, 2005 Author Posted August 23, 2005 Prayer is a powerful tool, so use it in the case of this meeting. Pray for the reconciliation of SSPX to the Holy Mother Church.
RC_ Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='MC Just' date='Aug 23 2005, 03:44 PM'] What are we going to do? Continue letting pagans and non-catholics design our parishes and liturgies? That is just wrong. Papa Benedictt XVI sees this and plans on fixing it. [right][snapback]696044[/snapback][/right] [/quote] The only modern thing I'd like to see in the design of a Church is ADA compliance. Keep the altar rail, and keep the tabernacle where it belongs, in the center of the back wall, not tucked away in the corner somewhere.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 [quote]EENS, I have a quesiton for you, and this is totally sincere and I'm not trying to be difficult or anything. But I'm wondering.....lets says something comes of this meeting and by some miracle the SSPX decide to reunite with Rome. How would you feel about that? Would you then conclude that the SSPX were wrong and continue to reject the authority of Rome?[/quote] SSPX and Rome Are united.
curtins Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='SarahB' date='Aug 23 2005, 04:48 PM']: I can't wait until this takes place. Hopefully it will stay that way. [right][snapback]696051[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Um I don't think it would be such a hot idea to make all the masses latin again. No one would know what's being said. myself included
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 get over it. its called tradition. the mass has been in latin for 1500 years (correct me if im wrong)
MC Just Posted August 23, 2005 Posted August 23, 2005 [quote name='curtins' date='Aug 23 2005, 04:09 PM']Um I don't think it would be such a hot idea to make all the masses latin again. No one would know what's being said. myself included [right][snapback]696094[/snapback][/right] [/quote] there are latin-english missals. I use one.
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