Halloween

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='ofpheritup' date='Aug 25 2005, 09:00 PM']I don't know how to say this. But I have to. I am trying to think of a way that I can get my point across and not be too graphic.

I had a friend whose Dad belonged to a coven. While she was growing up she was (starting at the age of 9) given hormone shots. Over the years she was impregnated at least 5 times that she can remember.  The babies were sacrificed in the coven's rituals. 

Halloween is the day that the greatest amount of babies are ______!
I can't bring myself to type it.

Today because of the abuse she is mentally ill. She has Multiple Personality Disorder.  She has 30 personalities. I've met most of them, they're interesting.

I used to think Halloween was harmless.  Guys it is no joke.
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For 99.99% of the people Halloween is a day to scare people and get candy. Grave sin can occur on any occasion.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='Nicole8223' date='Aug 25 2005, 01:34 PM']My fiance and I have discussed whether or not we would celebrate Halloween with our kids.  Since the holiday is of pagan origin, and it is one of the biggest nights of the year for Satanic worshippers and witches and stuff, it seems like a bad thing.  Obviously dressing a child as a witch or devil is not "cute," but how do you feel about having kids dress as something that is innocent (like a princess or angel or something) and trick-or-treating?

I feel really torn about this.
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There are lots of things that are of pagan origin, but if they are taken out of the pagan context, and don't involve any sins of paganism (ie, idolatry, spells, etc..) they aren't bad.

I know a guy who thinks that the USA is evil because Washinton D.C. is full of "pagan" architecture and the money uses pagan symbols and all this stuff.. But how many people go to D.C. and worship the idol of Abraham Lincoln? hehe

[ofpheritup]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 25 2005, 08:14 PM']For 99.99% of the people Halloween is a day to scare people and get candy.  Grave sin can occur on any occasion.
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THANK YOU.

I AM SURE THAT WILL BE A GREAT COMFORT TO MY FRIEND AND HER DEAD CHILDREN.

The percentage is wrong unless you can convince me that only
1 percent of the world are Satanist's. I think the percentage is higher than that.

Edited August 26, 2005 by ofpheritup

[RC_]

I like Halloween

The candy, the ghost stories, (especially "The Raven"), the pumpkin seeds!

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='ofpheritup' date='Aug 25 2005, 09:18 PM']THANK YOU.

I AM SURE THAT WILL BE A GREAT COMFORT TO MY FRIEND AND HER DEAD CHILDREN. 

The percentage is wrong unless you can convince me that only
1 percent of the world are Satanist's.  I think the percentage is higher than that.
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You are welcome. And you missed the point. Horrible things can happen on any occasion. If satanists decided Easter and Christmas or Thanksgiving were days to commit grave sin would you and the rest of the world take them off the calendar?

I have no clue what the actual small percentage of satanists is and I don't care [except to pray for them].

I am sorry for your friend and her horrible childhood. I hope she is in therapy and she is integrating well. Tramatic events have ruined for her what could have been an innocent time of visiting the neighbors and an overindulgence of chocolate. And for almost everyone out there, that is the extent of Halloween.

[Kilroy the Ninja]

Ditto everything Cmom said.


Halloween (as we know it now) is Christian in origin - we can't let those pagans take our holiday!!


Boo!

[Theologian in Training]

I too am in complete agreement with Cmom. There was a guy in the seminary (who has, unfortunately, since left) who was very unhappy with me because I told him I liked Halloween. In fact, to get into the spirit, I carved a pumpkin in my seminary room and displayed it for all to see (inside my room).

Anyway, he was trying to tell me that it is essentially a pagan holiday, that we give the evil spirits their due, things of that nature. Yet, try as I might to explain it to him, he never wanted to hear my side.

As far back as I can remember I always loved Halloween. I got to dress up as someone else, scare myself a bit, and get lots and lots of candy I never saw anything wrong with it, and still, to this day, do not.

It is a time for the kids to dress up and have a little fun and the parents to live vicariously through their kids, or if that is impossible (in my case) to be a child once again

Besides, who hasn't waited for the Great Pumpkin hoping he will bring toys to all good little girls and boys?

Oh, also, you should look up the origin of the Jack O Lantern, there is a reason it was named after jack and there is a reason we light them up. I won't spoil it, but look it up and have a little fun with your imagination and a little ghost story.

God Bless

Edited August 27, 2005 by Theologian in Training

[picchick]

Because of the pagan origins we do not dress up and go trick or treating.

We do have fun with haunted houses and scary stuff like that.

We celebrate All Saints Day with the homeschool group that we are in. Maybe you could start one at your Church.

[Colleen]

[quote name='Nicole8223' date='Aug 25 2005, 02:02 PM']PS...He doesn't think we should tell our children there is a Santa either.  We can tell them the gifts are from Jesus.
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I think in Austria at least, the tradition is that the Christ Child brings the gifts on Christmas. It's His birthday and He shares gifts with everyone. I think it's a cool idea.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

just say Saint Nicholas does it.

[Colleen]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Aug 27 2005, 05:23 PM']just say Saint Nicholas does it.
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That's what I will probably do.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

Halloween, when centered on the occult, is bad.

Halloween, when centered on innocent fun, candy, and having an alter ego, is fun and enjoyable.

[Paladin D]

The United States is one of the very few countries that still celebrates Halloween. It isn't specifically a "satanic" holiday, if it was, Europe would be doing it (since they're having big problems with it). Instead, satanics celebrate their holiday on Christmas Eve.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

Awesome site about the Santa/St. Nicholas dillema for Catholic/Orthodox families:
[url="http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=23"]http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=23[/url]

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='thedude' date='Aug 27 2005, 11:39 PM']Awesome site about the Santa/St. Nicholas dillema for Catholic/Orthodox families:
[url="http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=23"]http://www.stnicholascenter.org/Brix?pageID=23[/url]
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We always celebrated St Nicholas day with small presents, and St Lucy day with candles.

[ofpheritup]

[quote name='Paladin D' date='Aug 27 2005, 08:01 PM']The United States is one of the very few countries that still celebrates Halloween.  It isn't specifically a "satanic" holiday, if it was, Europe would be doing it (since they're having big problems with it).  Instead, satanics celebrate their holiday on Christmas Eve.
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YES, HALLOWEEN IS SPECIFICALLY A "SATANIST'S" HOLIDAY.
Christmas is as well but on a smaller scale.

I am wondering what is behind the "attempted downplay" of Halloween?

I met a friend of a friend the other day and in the conversation he mentioned he used to be a Satanist. I told him about this topic.

He said that is how Satan works. He wants the lie spread that all Halloween is, is innocent fun. When nothing could be further from the truth.

I remember hearing, I don't know where that "the greatest lie that Satan can get people to believe is that he doesn't exist." The same thing applies to the lie that all Halloween is, is innocent fun.

Take it or leave it folks. I know better, I have had personal experience in learning about it. I am here trying to warn you. And so now you know.

I would like to suggest that you take some time to pray about this. What you do past this point is your responsibility. I have done what God has asked of me.

[RC_]

All the anti-Halloween rhetoric reminds me of the chick-tians...

[son_of_angels]

Only someone who does not fully participate in the Christian (and indeed Catholic year) would avoid celebrations of both Halloween and Easter. Both of these are celebrations which are part of the Church's calendar, and deserve family recognition and thought.

Halloween, as I said earlier, is the Eve of All Hallows (All Saints). A Catholic family could, perhaps use it as a day to reflect on the Christian dead. Christmas of course is the culmination of Advent in celebrating the first coming of our Lord.

Whatever pagan associations people have made with it are absolute bull. Most of these are simply Satanist and/or Wiccan or medieval witchcraft inventions that were created to stir fear in the hearts of Christians against such elements in the 1600's. Most of the times the witchcraft symbols, etc. came from Christians who knew little or nothing about actual witchcraft.

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 25 2005, 03:09 PM']My children's Christmas presents came from my husband and me. Santa was a nice man who represented the spirit of giving, but he was not our giver of gifts.
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Yeah, I'd be careful with that, too.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='ofpheritup' date='Aug 28 2005, 11:06 PM']YES, HALLOWEEN IS SPECIFICALLY A "SATANIST'S"  HOLIDAY.
Christmas is as well but on a smaller scale.

I am wondering what is behind the "attempted downplay" of Halloween?

I met a friend of a friend the other day and in the conversation he mentioned he used to be a Satanist.  I told him about this topic.

He said that is how Satan works. He wants the lie spread that all Halloween is, is innocent fun. When nothing could be further from the truth.

I remember hearing, I don't know where that "the greatest lie that Satan can get people to believe is that he doesn't exist."  The same thing applies to the lie that all Halloween is, is innocent fun.

Take it or leave it folks.  I know better, I have had personal experience in learning about it.  I am here trying to warn you.  And so now you know.

I would like to suggest that you take some time to pray about this. What you do past this point is your responsibility.  I have done what God has asked of me.
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Halloween is the eve of a great Catholic feast, and a night where kids get dressed up and get candy. If people want to make it more than that, there is little we can do about it. Its not a downplay, we are treating it as it should be treated, cause its not a personal trigger point for us as it is for you.
I am not going to let a bunch of perverts ruin my day.