ofpheritup Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 [quote name='ofpheritup' date='Aug 28 2005, 10:06 PM'] He said that is how Satan works. He wants the lie spread that all Halloween is, is innocent fun. When nothing could be further from the truth. I remember hearing, I don't know where that "the greatest lie that Satan can get people to believe is that he doesn't exist." The same thing applies to the lie that all Halloween is, is innocent fun. Take it or leave it folks. I know better, I have had personal experience in learning about it. I am here trying to warn you. And so now you know. [right][snapback]703279[/snapback][/right] [/quote] An alternative for that night would be PRAYER. That is what I do instead of saying I can't do anything about it. I have never been " a can't kind of girl." Can't in our family meant we were either lazy of didn't care. In a large Catholic family neither one was an option. Let us talk about the power of the rosary. Spiritual warfare guys spiritual warfare. I am with St. Francis (?) when he said "I have done my part may Christ teach you yours."
Nicole8223 Posted August 29, 2005 Author Posted August 29, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Aug 29 2005, 08:00 AM']Yeah, I'd be careful with that, too. [right][snapback]703495[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I guess I look at it like this: God is the giver of every gift. The gifts are from Him. Without Christ, we wouldn't be giving each other gifts on Christmas. I don't think it would be a lie to say the gifts are from Jesus. The lie is when you say the gifts are from Santa. I was SO mad when I found out I had been lied to. It caused me to question everything! I want to be honest with my children, and I think this is a way to do it without spoiling the surprise and mystery of the holiday.
Paladin D Posted August 29, 2005 Posted August 29, 2005 (edited) [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Aug 29 2005, 08:15 AM']Halloween is the eve of a great Catholic feast, and a night where kids get dressed up and get candy. If people want to make it more than that, there is little we can do about it. Its not a downplay, we are treating it as it should be treated, cause its not a personal trigger point for us as it is for you. I am not going to let a bunch of perverts ruin my day. [right][snapback]703501[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yep. Hallow's Eve is a Catholic holiday, which also lies on Halloween. Easter has pagan origins as well, but the Catholic Church converted it into a celebration of Christ's resurrection. If I'm correct, even Christmas was placed near a pagan "winter holiday". The Catholic Church did this deliberately to fight paganism, and I guess it worked. No one is denying that Halloween has pagan origins, and that Satanics use this holiday. But we also have to be aware of it's Christian roots (Hallow's Eve). Edited August 29, 2005 by Paladin D
homeschoolmom Posted August 30, 2005 Posted August 30, 2005 [quote name='Nicole8223' date='Aug 29 2005, 09:40 AM']I guess I look at it like this: God is the giver of every gift. The gifts are from Him. Without Christ, we wouldn't be giving each other gifts on Christmas. I don't think it would be a lie to say the gifts are from Jesus. The lie is when you say the gifts are from Santa. I was SO mad when I found out I had been lied to. It caused me to question everything! I want to be honest with my children, and I think this is a way to do it without spoiling the surprise and mystery of the holiday. [right][snapback]703572[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I understand that. I think you don't want to set children up to believe that Jesus acts like Santa Claus in that you ask for something and BAM it shows up on Christmas morning. Just be careful not to turn Jesus into some sort of magical stocking filling being. Imagine how ticked off your kids will be to find out He doesn't work like that.
cmotherofpirl Posted August 30, 2005 Posted August 30, 2005 Why don't you just tell your kids the truth - you buy the presents because you love them. worked for my kids, and they didn't wonder why the neighbors kids always got bigger and better presents than them.
Fixxxer Posted August 30, 2005 Posted August 30, 2005 halloween is pure evil and no one should ever celebrate it! just turn off your lights and throw holy water at anyones that tries to come to your house! i for one will be scaring people at my house again like i have in the last 2 years or so with friends.
Theologian in Training Posted August 30, 2005 Posted August 30, 2005 I wrote a paper on the pagan origins of Christmas and how mostly pagan beliefs were "Christianized," when I find it I will post some excerps. I do remember that the Christmas Tree was developed as a result to proselytize and Christianize the Druidic worship of trees. There are a bunch of others, when I find it I will post it.
homeschoolmom Posted August 30, 2005 Posted August 30, 2005 For the most part, the HSfamily hasn't done a whole lot with Halloween in the "scary" realm... We've done non-scary costumes and parties, but nothing scary. My kids went trick or treating for the first time last year (we used to go to parties at church, but since we don't go to that church anymore....). This isn't because I think Halloween is satanic or I'm prudish about it... My daughter (and my son to a lesser extent) has a very active imagination and is really sensitive about "evil" and "scary" stuff. So, since that stuff isn't fun for them, we avoid them.
Socrates Posted August 30, 2005 Posted August 30, 2005 Halloween was one of my favorite nights as a kid. I'd absolutely love setting up the "haunted house" in the basement. (But then, everyone knows I'm evil. I even chose a pagan philosopher for my username!)
jmjtina Posted August 30, 2005 Posted August 30, 2005 (edited) It's all how you raise your children. Will you let society dictate how you celebrate holiday's? Or will you raise your children to know that a beautiful Catholic feastday is the next day, have fun with candy and pumpkins and enjoy it fully, ending with awesome Catholic days. You can buy buy buy all the presents in the world (which will be probably trash in a couple of years) or will you teach your children the real meaning of Christmas with the presents you give them. I love Cmom's ideas. : Edited August 30, 2005 by jmjtina
Aloysius Posted August 30, 2005 Posted August 30, 2005 listen, ofpheritup, we all know that satanic and occultic things are evil. we all know what happened to your friend was evil. but please show us how the dressing up and getting candy contributes to that evil.
Nicole8223 Posted August 30, 2005 Author Posted August 30, 2005 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Aug 29 2005, 08:53 PM']I understand that. I think you don't want to set children up to believe that Jesus acts like Santa Claus in that you ask for something and BAM it shows up on Christmas morning. Just be careful not to turn Jesus into some sort of magical stocking filling being. Imagine how ticked off your kids will be to find out He doesn't work like that. [right][snapback]704396[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That makes sense. I understand what you mean know!
Nicole8223 Posted August 30, 2005 Author Posted August 30, 2005 I just read this article and it makes a lot of sense. [url="http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.5/story1.html"]http://www.envoymagazine.com/backissues/2.5/story1.html[/url] Check it out....and let me know what you think. I think I am convinced. Halloween is fun, and a great time to witness to others.
toledo_jesus Posted August 30, 2005 Posted August 30, 2005 I rather liked being scary. My tastes ran to the grotesque though. Once I painted my face white, then squirted a whole tube of fake blood on my hairline and said I had a head wound. It was humorously over the top, in my opinion. I mean, come on I was 12. I was a creep. I did feel bad though, cause I scared a little fairy princess . I met my best friend that night, but we didn't know it til later.
RC_ Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Aug 30 2005, 04:44 PM']I rather liked being scary. My tastes ran to the grotesque though. Once I painted my face white, then squirted a whole tube of fake blood on my hairline and said I had a head wound. It was humorously over the top, in my opinion. I mean, come on I was 12. I was a creep. I did feel bad though, cause I scared a little fairy princess . I met my best friend that night, but we didn't know it til later. [right][snapback]705407[/snapback][/right] [/quote] When I was 11, my costume ran along those lines...got a T-shirt and had my dad roll over it with the car, gave a nice tire track, then had fake blood all over. Said I was run over by a car...
Aloysius Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 so how about it ofpheritup? are you going to explain to us how the dressing up stuff and the candy in any way contributes to the evil occultic acts you describe? perhaps if we would just stop trick-or-treating, the occult wouldn't remember it was halloween every year? even if that were true, they'd just pick another day...
Twentie Fow Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 (edited) The American traditions of both Halloween and Christmas blind people to the Catholic devotion which should be exalted on those days. [quote]The Christmas mystery 525 Jesus was born in a humble stable, into a poor family.202 Simple shepherds were the first witnesses to this event. In this poverty heaven's glory was made manifest.203 The Church never tires of singing the glory of this night: The Virgin today brings into the world the Eternal And the earth offers a cave to the Inaccessible. The angels and shepherds praise him And the magi advance with the star, For you are born for us, Little Child, God eternal!204 526 To become a child in relation to God is the condition for entering the kingdom.205 For this, we must humble ourselves and become little. Even more: to become "children of God" we must be "born from above" or "born of God".206 Only when Christ is formed in us will the mystery of Christmas be fulfilled in us.207 Christmas is the mystery of this "marvelous exchange": O marvelous exchange! Man's Creator has become man, born of the Virgin. We have been made sharers in the divinity of Christ who humbled himself to share our humanity.208[/quote] Christmas trees, satan claus, material gifts etc. have nothing to do with my observance of the Catholic Holiday. Edited August 31, 2005 by Twentie Fow
cmotherofpirl Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 But they can if you let them : The fir tree symolizes eternal life, the gifts represent the gifts of the magi etc. THere is nothing wrong with using good elements of popular culture to our advantage. Its the Catholic thing to do . :
homeschoolmom Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 My major complaint about Halloween is the endless supply of candy that lasts at least until Christmas. I just can't believe it is healthy for small children to consume large amounts of candy practically year-round... but I digress
cmotherofpirl Posted August 31, 2005 Posted August 31, 2005 I agree. When my kids were little we never had sweets in the house, so this was a big deal to them. They usually ate it rather quickly, then had to wait another year for more.
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