The creation of dogma - Original sin

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='Sep 8 2005, 11:10 AM']RESPONSE:

You need to do some serious reading. This discuassion involves the writings of Augustine (not in the Bible) and Paul's Romans (in the Bible).

The Gospel of the writers we term John isn't involved.
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Nor did I say it was. I'm merely asserting that you hold no credibility.

[Laudate_Dominum]

[quote name='IcePrincessKRS' date='Sep 8 2005, 03:06 AM']I think as long as Les claims to be Catholic it qualifies as Catholic vs. Catholic, no qoutation marks. Even though we know he doesn't represent and show real Church teaching he seems to think he is.

I just think he needs a new hobby.
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It seems to me that people who spend their time trying to "debunk" Catholicism cannot be Catholic. Just because someone claims to be Catholic doesn't mean they are. If you deny and attack essential doctrines and things and yet remain in the religion you do so in bad faith.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='LittleLes' date='Sep 8 2005, 11:16 AM']Romans 5:12 "Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned."

As has been shown, unless one wants to believe that all living things were created in six days (the Genesis legend), the claim that Adam's sin was the cause of death entering the world is spurious. Animals were being born and dying long before the human animal evolved.

And the Catholic claim - which would clearly be an injustice - that all men became sinners because of Adam's Original Sin is clearly contrary to a number of Old Testament passages:

"The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father..." Ezek 18:20.  See also Deut 24:16, 2 king 14.6, Ezek 33:20, and Jer 31: 29-30.

So the dogma of Original Sin is contrary to both science and scripture.

Those interested in this topic might want to read a similar thread on Beliefnet  Catholic Debate.

Beliefnet does not restrict Catholic debate with Catholics.
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While I would be slow to call it formal in your case (full knowledge of mind and will being required), to deny original sin is apostasy.