Aloysius Posted November 8, 2005 Posted November 8, 2005 as has been said before, there can be no evil thing. evil is a deficiency of good, a twisting of good. the only way satan can be evil is if he is twisting something good-- thus he is good and his bad actions twist that good. God loves the good, all that He created and causes to exist is good. thus, God loves the good he created in the angel lucifer. lucifer by his free will twists that good, God hates the twisting of that good, but the nature of the twister, even if it be defficient, is good.
onathing1 Posted November 8, 2005 Posted November 8, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Nov 8 2005, 12:27 PM']as has been said before, there can be no evil thing. evil is a deficiency of good, a twisting of good. the only way satan can be evil is if he is twisting something good-- thus he is good and his bad actions twist that good. God loves the good, all that He created and causes to exist is good. thus, God loves the good he created in the angel lucifer. lucifer by his free will twists that good, God hates the twisting of that good, but the nature of the twister, even if it be defficient, is good. [right][snapback]782530[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Please correct me if I misunderstood....did you just say that there is no evil thing?
Aloysius Posted November 8, 2005 Posted November 8, 2005 Evil does not have a nature. Evil is not a positive reality, it is something that negatively affects nature. nature is always something positively good, and the twisting of that good is what is defined as an evil action. The deficiency in that good is what is defined as an evil state. Thus, our fallen nature is an evil state, but the nature that remains from that defficiency is completely good. Satan's deffiicient nature is an evil state, but the nature of his being that remains is a positive good, because all things that God created are by nature good.
onathing1 Posted November 8, 2005 Posted November 8, 2005 [quote name='Aloysius' date='Nov 8 2005, 12:39 PM']Evil does not have a nature. Evil is not a positive reality, it is something that negatively affects nature. nature is always something positively good, and the twisting of that good is what is defined as an evil action. The deficiency in that good is what is defined as an evil state. Thus, our fallen nature is an evil state, but the nature that remains from that defficiency is completely good. Satan's deffiicient nature is an evil state, but the nature of his being that remains is a positive good, because all things that God created are by nature good. [right][snapback]782548[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes, God created all things to do good, but Satan is definately not good. If Satan's desire is to turn people away from God and do the opposite of good, then he certainly cannot be good.
Aloysius Posted November 8, 2005 Posted November 8, 2005 His nature, his existence, must be good. Anything else is dualism. To say satan has an evil nature is to say that evil exists as its own positive reality. It does not. Satan is not some source of evil, some creature whose being is by nature evil in the exact opposite of God whose being is completely good. you see, Satan isn't even as good at being evil as God is at being good. if he was, that would mean evil had equal power to good, but it does not. as such, satan does not hold that power to actually BE EVIL. Perhaps he would like to hold that power, but he does not. We don't live in a ying yang. Satan certainly doesn't DO good. Satan's [i]nature,[/i ]however, IS good. That is why his rejection of God actually is an evil, the fact that he is twisting something that is good-- his nature-- into something that does evil is what makes it evil. If satan's nature were not good, he would be unable to do evil because evil cannot exist without mimicking, diminishing, and twisting something that is by nature good. In effect, Satan is divided against himself. The things he does are self-destructive, they cause his damnation and his suffering. He attacks his own nature because his nature is good and he hates good things. "A kingdom divided against itself cannot stand" -Christ
onathing1 Posted November 8, 2005 Posted November 8, 2005 You make alot of sense Aloysius. Thanks for clearing that up for me!
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