homosexuality inherited?

[infinitelord1]

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[cmotherofpirl]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, even when they are wrong.
I watched the show as well. He is no expert in biology.

Edited October 22, 2005 by cmotherofpirl

[Cow of Shame]

...been through this before.

[photosynthesis]

don't EVEN get me started on Dr. Phil. What would possess someone to go on that show and bare all to the world?! Privacy anyone? His show is just a testimony to how messed up American culture is and how we've lost our sense of privacy and respect for others. He is to psychology as money-sucking Benny Hinn-style televangelists are to the Church -- an embarrassment.

as far as homosexuality goes, I don't think it is possible to know at this point whether or not it is genetic or environmental. There are also serious ethical issues regarding testing environmental factors and their influence on sexuality. I voted no because there was no "other" or "unknown".

[termitescoming4u!]

well, i sort of agree with photosynthesis in that it's not pretty certain if homosexuality is inherited or not. but i tink [this is my opinion] that most homosexuals out there are gay because the society support it and doesn't condemn it. also, i think some homosexuals are gay because they either have low self esteem or because they don't know who they are yet. so it's possible for them to come out of their homosexuality, which means it's non-hereditary.

[ofpheritup]

I think I may get "blasted" behind this one. But I am going to try any way.

Sin is sin, when we are tempted we react or we don't. We choose to listen to Satan over God or we don't.

Homosexuality is a sin. I got that part. What I am saying is that. If that sin can supposedly be inherited and that is the excuse some people will use then what is to stop us from using that for every sin?

The great lie is "I couldn't help myself" (inherited). So liars, thieves, adulterers all have an built in excuse.

What I am thinking is just because a man is attracted to a man doesn't mean he has to act on what he is feeling. We are not animals. We have intellect, reasoning, self awareness and God will hold us responsible.

The only thing that Dr. Phil has said that I agree with is "You teach people how to treat you." Other than that Doc ain't got a clue.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='ofpheritup' date='Oct 22 2005, 10:05 AM']I  think I may get "blasted" behind this one. But I am going to try any way.

Sin is sin, when we are  tempted we react or we don't. We choose to listen to Satan over God or we don't.

Homosexuality is a sin. I got that part. What I am saying is that. If that sin can supposedly be inherited and that is the excuse some people will use then what is to stop us from using that for every sin?

The great lie is "I couldn't help myself" (inherited). So liars, thieves, adulterers  all have an built in excuse.

What I am thinking is just because a man is attracted to a man doesn't mean he has to act on what he is feeling.  We are not animals. We have intellect, reasoning, self awareness and God will hold us responsible.

The only thing that Dr. Phil has said that I agree with is "You teach people how to treat you." Other than that Doc ain't got a clue.
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No blasting here

[Era Might]

Homosexuality is "inherited" the same way alcoholism is "inherited". There is no alcoholism gene. If you grow up in an alcoholic environment, and it impacts your psychological development, there's a very good chance you will become an alcoholic. In the same way, if something impacts your psycho-sexual development (eg, the lack of a male role model), you may very well develop a disordered sexual appetite.

The key here is that you can repair the damage done, at least to a certain extent. You may not be able to undo it completely, but you can bring it into subjection. Ask any recovering alcoholic or sexual addict.

[photosynthesis]

I've heard it said that men become homosexuals because they lack a father-figure.

I've heard it said that women become homosexuals because of a lack of father-figures...

so what's the deal?

[Era Might]

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Oct 22 2005, 03:03 PM']I've heard it said that men become homosexuals because they lack a father-figure.

I've heard it said that women become homosexuals because of a lack of father-figures...

so what's the deal?
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I don't think there's one specific thing that effects a personal disorder. In the case of homosexuality, it's true that male affirmation, or the lack thereof, is a frequent cause. But I don't think it's necessarily the only one.

Edited October 22, 2005 by Era Might

[photosynthesis]

I could see the lack of a "father-figure" leading to homosexuality in men.

but wouldn't the lack of a 'mother-figure" lead to homosexuality in women, and not lack of a male figure?

[track2004]

It's been said, but I'll say it again. I don't think it's possible to strictly inherit homosexuality. It's not as simple as hair color or a widow's peak. I also really highly doubt it's completely about environment too. In all honestly I don't think we'll every know what causes it because any experiment would be unethical.

[Didacus]

Wether it is or not, is inconsequential to it being right or wrong.

The only thing that can be helped from knowing its inheritence source (if any) is perhaps treatment for those who suffer from SSA.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Era Might' date='Oct 22 2005, 12:38 PM']Homosexuality is "inherited" the same way alcoholism is "inherited". There is no alcoholism gene. If you grow up in an alcoholic environment, and it impacts your psychological development, there's a very good chance you will become an alcoholic. In the same way, if something impacts your psycho-sexual development (eg, the lack of a male role model), you may very well develop a disordered sexual appetite.

The key here is that you can repair the damage done, at least to a certain extent. You may not be able to undo it completely, but you can bring it into subjection. Ask any recovering alcoholic or sexual addict.
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Ok except that Alcoholism is hereditary. You can be genetically predispositioned to addiction. It is not just simply environment.

[dspen2005]

homosexuality is a life-style and so it is a choice; attraction to individuals of the same sex, like any attraction, is morally neutral....

[photosynthesis]

[quote name='dspen2005' date='Oct 22 2005, 04:42 PM']homosexuality is a life-style and so it is a choice; attraction to individuals of the same sex, like any attraction, is morally neutral....
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what if it's a middle aged man who's attracted to 8-year old girls, or vice versa?

[Cow of Shame]

We've been 'round & 'round & ...[url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=40026&st=120"][u]HERE YA GO[/u][/url]

I've written lengthy responses on this issue...why start a new thread on this thing?

[ofpheritup]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Oct 22 2005, 03:35 PM']Ok except that Alcoholism is hereditary. You can be genetically predispositioned to addiction.  It is not just simply environment.
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I am still not sure how I feel about this one.

Going back to the "gay lifestyle." I don't have a lot of patience discussing it. If they want to discuss it I ask, "Can you read? Do you own a Bible? Have you read Romans 26-32?" I either get a yes or no.

For all of the "arguments or discussions" whatever you want to call it.
The bottom line is GOD SAID DON'T DO IT. So past that point they choose what they want to do. And I simply state the fact, which is God said don't, He isn't interested in having a conversation about the whys and the wherefore's.

But then again that holds true of any sin. They can jump, holler, justify, point fingers, blame mommy or daddy or the doctor but they still choose to act on it.

My conversation lasts long enough to steer them toward the Bible. Past that it isn't me they have to explain themselves to.

Edited October 23, 2005 by ofpheritup

[jasJis]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Oct 22 2005, 03:35 PM']Ok except that Alcoholism is hereditary. You can be genetically predispositioned to addiction.  It is not just simply environment.
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[/quote]With this 'except' statement you are making the statement Homosexuality is not hereditary and you cant be predispositioned to additiction and it IS simply environment? You missed the point of Era's post (which I agree with wholeheartedly). I believe that homosexuality MAY have a hereditary PREDISPOSITION, like Alcoholism. Environment also plays a major role, but hereditary predisposition and environmental factors don't make Homosexuality okay, just as it doesn't make Alcoholism okay.

[Jaime]

[quote name='jasJis' date='Oct 23 2005, 08:57 AM']With this 'except' statement you are making the statement Homosexuality is not hereditary and you cant be predispositioned to additiction and it IS simply environment?  You missed the point of Era's post (which I agree with wholeheartedly).  I believe that homosexuality MAY have a hereditary PREDISPOSITION, like Alcoholism.  Environment also plays a major role, but hereditary predisposition and environmental factors don't make Homosexuality okay, just as it doesn't make Alcoholism okay.
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No. I'm correcting the statement that alcoholism is purely environmental. That statement was wrong. The jury is still out whether or not there are genetic factors in homosexuality. Studies on the size differential of the hypothalamus within homosexuals will be debated by people smarter than me. But I think its telling that there are twin studies where one twin is straight and the other is homosexual. There is a mirroring factor within twins. There are many cases where one twin is right handed and one is left handed. The argument is that homosexual tendencies could be a part of that "mirroring" of fraternal twins.

And in any case, it does not change what the Church teaches.