The Latin Mass and Children

[Sojourner]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 11 2005, 10:28 AM']This is the complete opposite of my experience, and the common experience of everyone I know who goes to the Latin Mass.  Almost every Latin Mass I have attended around the country, and I have been to many (including Indy), has been packed with young families with lots of kids.  It is a glorious site to behold.  The young couples certainly outnumber the elderly.  This is most definately the case in DC where I attend MAss.  It is standing room only nearly every Sunday.  The only exception is the second Sunday of the month when they have two Masses (the 5:00 PM Solemn High Mass in addition to the regular 9:00 AM Mass).
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Maybe I've just gone on the wrong Sunday?

I've seen kids, yes, but for the most part they're older children, not babies and toddlers.

[popestpiusx]

Not sure. I'm not questioning that what you said is true, just that it seems odd to me due to common experience.

[theculturewarrior]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Nov 10 2005, 10:52 PM']My Priest says, he has seen children who love the latin mass and who are very reverant like  it comes natural to them.

I have never seen children act this way in the english mass, ive seen them run around and slap people in the back and get all noisy though. (not saying all are like that).

my priest says the children he has seen at latin masses have mostly been obedient and followed the mass. 

He asked a few kids why they like the latin mass, and they said it looks, sounds and feels sacred., the english mass is too noisy.

Now personally I had a hardtime finding a parish like the one I go to now, most of the Priests I have met have been liberal/modernist or just let anything go on at mass.

I dont go to a schismatic parish either, the latin mass im talking about is not the tridentine, but the novus ordo in Latin.  My priest says the mass here is celebrated as Vatican II wanted it to be celebrated, and that many of the other parishes are protestantised with exxagerated interpretations of VII.
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I think we're in the same Diocese. There are a lot of things I would like to see here, including Latin Mass, more religious orders, and more hardcore priests. I've been blessed with very good priests, one of whom is pretty hardcore, and at least tries to follow the rubrics of the Mass.

One good thing about it though, is that I've learned charity and obedience here.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 11 2005, 10:43 AM']Not sure.  I'm not questioning that what you said is true, just that it seems odd to me due to common experience.
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It's hard for me to make a generalization about English parishes, because it's so different from parish to parish how many kids are there. In some of the larger suburban parishes I've gone to, there've been tons of small children, and even in a couple urban parishes I've seen the same thing. In other urban parishes, the general demographic is much older, so there aren't many children at all. The MOST children I've seen are at the Hispanic masses, and those kids run all over the place all through the Mass, with no interference from adults.

I've only gone to Latin services at Holy Rosary, and like I said just didn't see as many teeny kids as I've seen at other parishes. Maybe they [i]were[/i] quieter, so I didn't notice them, or, like I said, maybe it's just the Sundays I've been there

(p.s. did you know there's a new FSSP apostolate in Batesville?)

[popestpiusx]

[quote name='Sojourner' date='Nov 11 2005, 12:04 PM']
(p.s. did you know there's a new FSSP apostolate in Batesville?)
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No I didn't. Who is the priest?

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[Sojourner]

[quote name='popestpiusx' date='Nov 11 2005, 11:27 AM']No I didn't.  Who is the priest?
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It's at [url="http://www.stceciliaofrome.com/"]St. Cecilia[/url]; the priest is Fr. Gerard C. Saguto. Do you know him, by chance?

I'd hoped to be able to visit a couple of weeks ago, but couldn't.

[popestpiusx]

I do know him. That is funny. What a very small world it is.

[qfnol31]

In general I agree with this. I cannot frequent a Latin Mass too often (for various reasons sadly) but I do think this is a general rule.

Although, by far one of my favorite places for Mass is English with monks who are quite traditional leaning (at least one says the Tridentine Mass each day). Here I can't remember the last time I saw a kid acting up, and I wonder if that's due to the environment. I wish more people could visit it and see that English can be done well (and better when correctly translated...) and that there's some hope as long as Cistercians live. :

Anyways, as to most Masses back home, my sisters are for the most part well-behaved at Mass, and better because they know they will be punished...However, I remember many people getting mad at this parish when the Priest said that Cheerios would no longer be allowed for kids during Mass. I'm surprised how many people got mad!

[quote name='Carrie' date='Nov 11 2005, 09:42 AM']I've seen plenty of well behaved children at English mass. 

If a parent explains and teaches a child what is going on at mass, they are more likely to behave than if a parent just brings a child to mass, doesn't explain anything, and expects them to sit quietly. 

The more they understand, the more they participate, the better behaved they will be, regardless of whether it is a Latin or English mass.
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It's true, though I believe that Latin actually does help, and the atmosphere at those Masses as well.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

where i go to latin mass their are a good amount of young famiies with a lot of yonug kids. they are not perfect but at least they are not nibbling on cheerios, playing with little trucks and cars on the pew. they sit still.

[MC Just]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Nov 12 2005, 11:54 AM']where i go to latin mass their are a good amount of young famiies with a lot of yonug kids. they are not perfect but at least they are not nibbling on cheerios, playing with little trucks and cars on the pew. they sit still.
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lol
my wife has been slapped in the back many times by some kids in the english mass, kids playing with trucks and nibbling on cheerios.rotfl

[MC Just]

[quote name='theculturewarrior' date='Nov 11 2005, 10:58 AM']I think we're in the same Diocese. There are a lot of things I would like to see here, including Latin Mass, more religious orders, and more hardcore priests. I've been blessed with very good priests, one of whom is pretty hardcore, and at least tries to follow the rubrics of the Mass.

One good thing about it though, is that I've learned charity and obedience here.
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The other day I had a meeting with my Priest, thats when he told me these things, he also said that the diocese we are in has been very liberal every since he came here.

In fact he told me that the priests greeting us after mass like they do in the english mass, he says that is a protestant thing, and its not orthodox, so he doesnt do it, in fact none of the priests in this parish do it. He is a "hardcore" priest. haha Very obedient to the Holy Father and very strict.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Nov 12 2005, 05:47 PM'] In fact he told me that the priests greeting us after mass like they do in the english mass, he says that is a protestant thing, and its not orthodox, so he doesnt do it, [right][snapback]786631[/snapback][/right]
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How sad.

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[MC Just]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Nov 12 2005, 04:54 PM']How sad.
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why sad? Because he doesnt want to do something thats not Catholic?

[cmotherofpirl]

To decide not to greet your parishoners AFTER Mass because protestants do it is a poor reason not to do something. When the Mass is OVER, there is nothing wrong with the priest standing and talking to his parishoners outside the Church. For some people that is the only time they get to see a priest up close and personal, and an excellent way for a priest to keep i touch witrh his people.

[MC Just]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Nov 12 2005, 05:00 PM']To decide not to greet your parishoners AFTER Mass because protestants do it is a poor reason not to do something.  When the Mass is OVER, there is nothing wrong with the priest standing and talking to his parishoners outside the Church. For some people that is the only time they get to see a priest up close and personal, and an excellent way for a priest to keep i touch witrh his people.
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well our church here (america) has become more of everything else and less catholic, some parishes dont even resemble catholic churches and many priest dont even represent the catholic faith, our Priest just doesnt want to be a part of that circle.

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[qfnol31]

Priests, like everyone else, should stay behind to pray in thanksgiving.

[Era Might]

The early Church ate an entire meal together as part of Mass

I think standing outside greeting parishioners passes for Catholicity.

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[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Nov 12 2005, 06:02 PM']well our church here (america)  has become more of everything else and less catholic, some parishes dont even resemble catholic churches and many priest dont even represent the catholic faith, our Priest just doesnt want to be a part of that circle.
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You can still have a very catholic reverant church and greet your people after Mass. Its not a wholesale going over to a liberal dancing in the aisle church to incorporate a good idea when you see one.
You couldn't find a more reverant liturgically correct priest than I have, but he still warmly greets by name all his parsihoners in the vestible after Mass, as they leave the church.

[tojo]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Nov 12 2005, 05:08 PM']liberal dancing in the aisle church
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AHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My goodness, why so many of you seem to have the idea thath Charismatics are liberal I will never understand. Actually expressing joyful worship to God is the last thing any liberals I know would ever want to do.

(Furthermore, I don't know Charismatic Catholics who dance in the aisle at Mass).

Btw, cmom, no offenses to you. I agree with the rest of what you're saying, and understand the remark I'm responding to was made rather offhand.

As you were.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='tomasio127' date='Nov 12 2005, 06:26 PM']AHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

My goodness, why so many of you seem to have the idea thath Charismatics are liberal I will never understand. Actually expressing joyful worship to God is the last thing any liberals I know would ever want to do.

(Furthermore, I don't know Charismatic Catholics who dance in the aisle at Mass).

Btw, cmom, no offenses to you. I agree with the rest of what you're saying, and understand the remark I'm responding to was made rather offhand.

As you were.
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I never used the term charismatic in my posts, so why are you referring to them? I have seen liberal churches who have girls dancing in the aisle at the offeratory, and they are certainly violating church law.