Physical Body in heaven?

[Ziggamafu]

[quote name='Justin86' post='1705574' date='Nov 20 2008, 10:53 AM']Flesh may be finite, but that doesn't make it necessarily mortal(God originally created flesh to be immortal, by the way). If you wanted to ban all things finite from Heaven than obviously the only Persons who would exist there would be God.[/quote]

I use the word "finite" to illustrate the temporal nature of flesh as opposed to the non-temporal nature of spirit. Heaven is not bound by time or space, as it is the dwelling of infinite God from all eternity. Those who dwell in Heaven, then, can occupy neither space nor time as space-time does not exist "there". But physical bodies, by nature, necessitate (logically demand) time and space [i]to occupy.[/i] And that is the dilemma I am highlighting for the sake of speculation.

Edited November 20, 2008 by Ziggamafu

[dUSt]

If I was in Heaven with a body and all the other peeps were still waiting on theirs, I would probably laugh at them from time to time.

[Didacus]

If I was the son of God i'd be calling the devil every day laughing at him for living in hell.
(probably wouldn't stay son of God for very long with that attitude though)

[frenchfry]

Why is it assumed that heaven is a spiritual world? Yes, that is the major attitude today, but that doesn't mean that it's true. I think that heaven will have major physical components.

It's a really good question about souls "waiting for a body." The only response I can think of is that, because heaven exists outside of time, it won't really be a time difference at all between the time our souls get to heaven and the resurrection of all bodies.

[Apotheoun]

The Church Fathers taught the Biblical doctrine of the resurrection, and rejected platonic / gnostic dualism as contrary to Christian faith.

[reyb]

[indent][b]1 Cor 15:35-44[/b]
[color="#FF0000"]35 But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?" 36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies. 37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else. 38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body. 39 All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another. 40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another. 41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.

42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; 43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; 44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body.

[b]If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body[/b].[/color]
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[indent]While listening to your discussion, it seems you are all convince in one way or another that this ‘spiritual body’ mentioned in the above verse is a ‘spiritual body’ but having a sort of physical or ‘flesh’ component. Thus, even heaven itself is not entirely and purely spiritual in nature as mentioned by [post="1707554"]french-fry[/post], in order to justify the presence of this kind of spiritual-but flesh-body in heaven as in the case of Virgin Mary, Jesus, Elijah and Enoch. This idea is an unacceptable or illogical with respect to the arguments presented by [post="786069"]Victor[/post] and [post="1705541"]Ziggamafu [/post]since they discussed the conflict of ‘finite or flesh’ as against the infinite nature of spirit.

According to Apostle Paul in 1 Cor 15:50, ‘[color="#FF0000"]I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable[/color].’, hence, our subject argument seems irresoluble.

Of course, those who embrace this belief will further justify that this ‘spiritual-flesh-body’ is different from the flesh we know today since it is a body that has been changed as it is written in 1 Cor 15:51-52. But again, it will be in conflict to the tradition regarding Virgin Mary, Elijah and Enoch who are all already in heaven with their bodies while 1 Cor 15:51-52 is speaking of this ‘changed’ on resurrection day..
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Now, since you are hard core Catholics may I know , what is the official stand of the Roman Catholic Church regarding this ‘spiritual body’ in the above verse? In short, what is this ‘spiritual body’ Apostle Paul is saying?


Is paragraph 365, in Chapter One, Article One referring to this ‘spiritual body’?

And to Justin86, where do you get the idea that [post="1705574"]‘God originally created flesh to be immortal[/post]…’. Can we have the bible verse for our ready reference? [/indent]

Edited November 22, 2008 by reyb