dUSt Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Announcement: All pregnant moderators will be fired.
toledo_jesus Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 Well, I am glad they fired her, but I hope they are giving her a large severance. That would be the right thing to do.
tojo Posted November 22, 2005 Posted November 22, 2005 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Nov 22 2005, 05:19 PM']Well, I am glad they fired her, but I hope they are giving her a large severance. That would be the right thing to do. [right][snapback]798037[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I hope so too. I also hope that, at least initially, they invited her to resign her position, rather than just firing her initially.
Norseman82 Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 [quote name='Era Might' date='Nov 22 2005, 05:00 PM']Nobody can be forced to disclose a sin they committed, including having a child out of wedlock. [right][snapback]798026[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Doesn't take much to disclose this one, especially the closer you get to the due date.....
Era Might Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Nov 23 2005, 12:27 AM']Doesn't take much to disclose this one, especially the closer you get to the due date..... [right][snapback]798265[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Having a baby does not "out" you as an unwed mother. The children have no idea whether this woman is married or not. All they know is that she is pregnant. If she, and everyone else, left it at that, she could keep her transgressions where they belong: in the confessional.
Carrie Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 Whether or not she was repentent does not matter in her firing. What matters is that she violated the teacher's handbook which she (and the other teachers) agreed to abide by when hired. Its called a contract. When someone breaks the contract, it is then null and void. They had the right to fire her.
inDEED Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Nov 23 2005, 07:23 AM']Whether or not she was repentent does not matter in her firing. What matters is that she violated the teacher's handbook which she (and the other teachers) agreed to abide by when hired. Its called a contract. When someone breaks the contract, it is then null and void. They had the right to fire her. [right][snapback]798566[/snapback][/right] [/quote] THIS ONE knows what I'm talkin' about...
Carrie Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 [quote name='inDEED' date='Nov 23 2005, 11:40 AM'] THIS ONE knows what I'm talkin' about... [right][snapback]798590[/snapback][/right] [/quote] We see eye to eye.
Proud2BCatholic139 Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 But just thinking about it, what if it was a case of rape?
Carrie Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 [quote name='Proud2BCatholic139' date='Nov 23 2005, 12:15 PM']But just thinking about it, what if it was a case of rape? [right][snapback]798627[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Then the contract would not have been violated and they could not have terminated her. Becoming pregnant from rape is entirely different from becoming pregnant due to fornication.
Era Might Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 [quote name='Carrie' date='Nov 23 2005, 10:23 AM']Whether or not she was repentent does not matter in her firing. What matters is that she violated the teacher's handbook which she (and the other teachers) agreed to abide by when hired. Its called a contract. When someone breaks the contract, it is then null and void. They had the right to fire her. [right][snapback]798566[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote]Everything is lawful for me, but not everything is beneficial --1Cor 6:12[/quote] I agree, they had a right to fire her. But like I said before, if they were honest, they would have a right to fire every single teacher there for breaking the moral law.
inDEED Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 I agree - but I don't think that that's the argument right now.
Proud2BCatholic139 Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 We all make mistakes. We are not perfect. It is our free-will. However, I'm not saying that what she did was ethical and moral, but we can not judge a person SOLEY on that.
Carrie Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 [quote name='Proud2BCatholic139' date='Nov 23 2005, 12:55 PM']We all make mistakes. We are not perfect. It is our free-will. However, I'm not saying that what she did was ethical and moral, but we can not judge a person SOLEY on that. [right][snapback]798686[/snapback][/right] [/quote] No one is judging her. She violated her agreed contract with the school, giving them the right to dismiss her.
fatboyluis Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 she must of known the rules before she was hired and they must have presented this contract to her now if she breaks it, its ok to fire her in my opinion, but i guess it all depends on the situation but from what i can see they had alll the right to fire her
Era Might Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 (edited) [quote name='inDEED' date='Nov 23 2005, 11:39 AM']I agree - but I don't think that that's the argument right now. [right][snapback]798664[/snapback][/right] [/quote] It is my argument. I think it's a bit legalistic for a Catholic institution to appeal to a contract technicality when they could apply the same tact to every other teacher in the school, if they wanted to. The element of scandal is a legitimate one, and I completely understand that aspect of the situation. But like I said, a teacher can reasonably keep her marital status to herself, and the children would never know either way. At the very least, I wish the school had allowed her to go on payed leave until the baby was born. The element of scandal would be thereby nonexistent, she could resume her duties at work, and the school would witness to the Church's call for us to be radically pro-mother. [quote]In firmly rejecting 'pro-choice' it is necessary to become courageously 'pro-woman,' promoting a choice that is truly in favor of women. It is precisely the woman, in fact, who pays the highest price, not only for her motherhood, but even more for its destruction. ...The only honest stance, in these cases, is that of radical solidarity with the woman. It is not right to leave her alone. The experiences of many counseling centers show that the woman does not want to suppress the life of the child she carries within her. If she is supported in this attitude, and if at the same time she is freed from the intimidation of those around her, then she is even capable of heroism. --Pope John Paul II[/quote] Edited November 23, 2005 by Era Might
Deeds Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 (edited) [quote name='Carrie' date='Nov 23 2005, 05:09 PM']No one is judging her. She violated her agreed contract with the school, giving them the right to dismiss her. [right][snapback]798697[/snapback][/right] [/quote] They had the perfect legal right to dismiss her, but was it the best course of action? I don't think so. My main concern is that such a policy is heavily biased against women - it's easy to tell that she's been having sex outside marriage but rather harder to prove a man has been doing it. Why should a woman's transgression be more heavily punished than a man's? Also, I really doubt that kindergarten children know much about marital status - I remember we used to call all teachers "Mrs" by default, even if they weren't married, because we weren't really aware of the distinction between "Mrs" and "Miss". At my Catholic secondary school, the chaplain (who was an unmarried woman in her mid-20s) got pregnant. She stayed on as a teacher but either quit or was forced to quit her role as chaplain. Edited November 23, 2005 by Deeds
inDEED Posted November 23, 2005 Posted November 23, 2005 If she were married, she would not have been dismissed.
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