Russian Orthodox Patriarch Alexei II

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='thedude' date='Nov 30 2005, 07:12 PM']I wish Apotheoun were around for input...
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we need to get him back here--i miss him TONS

[Era Might]

[quote name='Revprodeji' date='Dec 5 2005, 02:57 AM']ecumenism is not conversion in the sense of protestants all reverting back, ecumenism as sited in Ut Unum Sint is conversion of the hearts on BOTH SIDES coming together to be the unified church.
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Ontologically, Protestants are already incorporated into the Church, into Christ's body. They are, however, not in full communion with it.

The indefectible unity of the Church already exists, and cannot cease to exist, as John Paul explains:

[quote]In effect, this unity bestowed by the Holy Spirit does not merely consist in the gathering of people as a collection of individuals. It is a unity constituted by the bonds of the profession of faith, the sacraments and hierarchical communion. The faithful are one because, in the Spirit, they are in communion with the Son and, in him, share in his communion with the Father: "Our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son Jesus Christ" (1 Jn 1:3).[/quote]

The ecumenical road does not restore unity to the Church as such, but increases it.

John Paul also clarifies the nature of Ecumenism:

[quote]The ultimate goal of the ecumenical movement is to re-establish full visible unity among all the baptized.[/quote]

Full visible unity, of course, cannot exist apart from "the bonds of the profession of faith, the sacraments and hierarchical communion", as explained above. So Christian unity does imply a reunion under the visible, hierarchical Catholic Church. But it does not require a renunciation of the positive elements of historic Protestantism.

Edited December 5, 2005 by Era Might

[The Joey-O]

Era, I don't know how appropriate this is, but I feel the urge to say it: Era, will you have my babies?





*I require 8 children and a fully grown midget (to cook and clean and what not)

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i love u..

[The Joey-O]

Anywho, that's what revprodeji was saying. Of course they'd have to become Catholic. Catholic means "universal" and they'd have to accept the authority of Rome. Most good ecuemenical Protestant theologians recognize this. What revprodeji's saying is they like certain things, like: 90 minute sermons and standing for 45 minutes while singing happy songs about Jesus. These are the things they don't want to lose.

Edited December 5, 2005 by The Joey-O

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no..silly fluff, but aspects like this.

[cmotherofpirl]

[quote name='littleflower+JMJ' date='Dec 5 2005, 03:09 AM']we need to get him back here--i miss him TONS
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He is in the middle of 3 term papers and I think a dissertation.

[littleflower+JMJ]

[quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Dec 5 2005, 11:58 AM']He is in the middle of 3 term papers and I think a dissertation.
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darn!! I guess I will stop annoying him then

if you talk to him, tell him hi for me! and to come back soon

[son_of_angels]

Personally, I would think the best approach with some of the materially schismatic is simply to re-excommunicate them (personally) and appoint a Catholic patriarch of Moscow, giving him all the titles and privileges of that particular See.

Let 'em get mad.

[Myles Domini]

[url="http://www.saintelias.com/InfoTheo/TaftAnamnesis/TaftAnamnesis1.html"]Anamnesis not Amnesia by Fr Robert Taft SJ[/url]