Unruly behaviour

[dandy777]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Dec 30 2005, 06:07 PM']i was sure that divorce and abortion were illegel becasue Malta is a Catholic country.
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There are many other catholic countries around the world yet it seems that they have introduced these two laws. I think divorce will eventually be legalised in my country. However, as far as abortion is concerned there is a special law which our government negotiated with the EU before our ascession that gives us the right to decide for our own country without hinderance about this issue. So up till now, abortion seems very improbable to be legalised especially since the largest political parties agree on this issue, which is good. However, it doesn't mean that people don't go abroad to perform such acts.

Edited January 4, 2006 by dandy777

[dandy777]

[quote name='Cathurian' date='Dec 30 2005, 07:21 PM']You're the third person I've met online from Malta.
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Nice to hear that especially since many people don't even know where my country is. So when I get fed up trying to explain that Sicily and Malta are not the same country, I end up telling people that I am Italian.

So are these Maltese on this forum as well?

[dandy777]

[quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Jan 4 2006, 05:43 PM']And the phrase you were looking for was 'getting out of hand'....so close.
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Yeah, that's the word!

[Guest Rick777]

[quote name='dandy777' date='Dec 30 2005, 07:30 AM']@ extra: no I am not talking about football hooligans but about unruly behaviour in class.

A teacher has no right to check or punish the kid. By punishment I am not saying physical abuse but giving after schools or checking their satchels in case they carry any drug or cell phones or weapons. They are given lots of social services and contributions especailly those coming from broken families.

Minors aren't prosecuted and are just sent in institutes or homes.

Abortion and divorce are illegal in my country but when there is someone who wants to commit them, they just go abroad.
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The teacher should be able to check thier "satchels" and give them detentions...........abortion is illegal in your country?! woot woot.

[Akalyte]

i wish i was able to record what i went through in the public school system in massachusetts. I'm pretty sure I tasted hell.

[zabbazooey]

Well I'm pretty sure some people @ my Catholic school smoked...

I was just saying no one smoked in the bathrooms or did drugs at school or anything like that...

[Didacus]

Some info on Malta:

[url="http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Europe/maltag.htm"]http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Europe/maltag.htm[/url]

I have spoken with some americans that did not seem to have much of an idea where Canada was (seriously). funny thing is that one of them I met in Ontario! (he was a young kid though, 16-17 years old, and from Philadelphia if that means anything).

Just in case some of you out there are still wondering about Canada:

[url="http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Americas/canadag.htm"]http://www.library.uu.nl/wesp/populstat/Americas/canadag.htm[/url]

you're welcomed.



As for the thread topic, dandy, I know precisely what you're talking about. Heck, I don't have to look at my own kids to tell you about it, I just have to remember what it was at my highschool some 15 years ago. The kids where all just rotten, full of pride nad had the attitude of 'touch me I get you arrrested' attitude and of course some of the 'you're the teacher, just do your stupid job and leave me alone' attitude.

No officer at my school but they paid regular visits to carry the worst trouble makers away whenever it needed it. Drugs, smoking, plenty. Guns; none I ever heard of, but knives here and there in the odd places.

[Mary-Kathryn]

[quote name='dandy777' date='Dec 30 2005, 08:07 AM']I am European and would love to ask some things mostly to those living in America. During this last decade, it has been really horrible over here with regards to schools and unruly behaving children. It is getting very common to hear stories where children or teens are physically and verbally abusing their teachers and little can be done to protect teachers and administrative staff because of the large amounts of rights that are being given to and promoted with teens. The situation is running out of hands.

I don't know how the situation is getting on on the other side of the ocean but here it is getting quite scary.
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In the school district my children attend, there is a very specific code of conduct. The teachers are required to go over conduct rules and parents and students must sign a paper stating that they have read and understand these rules.

Usually this involves a set number of verbal reprimands, then a visit to the principal where parents are called, then something called "In school suspension" These children are completely isolated from other students during the day but have a teacher who gives them all their work they must do. They even have their own special lunch table for the week.

The next step is out of school suspension--automatic for fighting and perhaps even for abusive or threatening attitudes for teachers. Then of course there is expulsion for activities like drugs, weapons etc...

All high schools and middle schools here have a police officer present. They have arrested teens as necessary--it is rare but happens. He also serves, not just to keep discipline, but to interact with the kids and give lectures teens need to hear.

At my son's middle school [grades 6, 7, and 8] they are given only set times to go to lockers, they may only bring the necessary material for the next two classes, and book bags stay in lockers. Besides serving practical purposes [small classrooms] it instills discipline and obedience to rules. The principal and teachers are great teachers; firm but very fair. They demand respect and give it in return.

Our school district has its share of kids who are troubled. They even have an alternative school for those who want their high school diploma but cannot function well in the regular school setting. There is also a school for those children who are emotionally disturbed. Overall I think we do very well in shaping our kids to be responsible adults

[dandy777]

That's nice Mary Kath....do you live in the states or elsewhere?

Well, that would be the ideal situation! However, most of the times there are parents who are unco-operative and that doesn't help!

[Mary-Kathryn]

[quote name='dandy777' date='Jan 5 2006, 06:19 AM']That's nice Mary Kath....do you live in the states or elsewhere?

Well, that would be the ideal situation! However, most of the times there are parents who are unco-operative and that doesn't help!
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I live in the US...in the state of Virginia. I think the Columbine school massacre in 1999 [ year?] really tore away the blinders that so many school adminstrations had covering their eyes.

Some parents are a huge problem these days. Some think Johnny or Suzie can do no wrong when the kid has a beer in one hand and their legal troubles in the other. Some parents demand the schools raise their kids and look at schools as a glorified baby sitter. Sadly there are parents who simply don't care. There's all kinds.

I think what your school systems have to do, is just lay down the rules and make sure they are followed by schools, teachers, parents and students. We even have goals in the schools of how many days a child should be out. The days missed, the late arrivals, and the times a child leaves early, are all recorded. Too many of these and a school attendance officer gets in touch with you.

Schools here are not grim prison-like places. The children are happy because we have excellent teachers who want to be here. There are also opportunities for being rewarded for good behavior. My son's school has socials for those who have decent grades for a certain amount of time. My daughter has school assemblies that give small goodies for reading a certain number of books, perfect
attendance...etc. Don't forget the field trips!!

I think the move to change the schools for the better, has to start with the teachers and the parents. They are on the front-lines and need to take a deep breath and take back the schools.

I'll keep your schools in my prayers.

Edited January 6, 2006 by Mary-Kathryn

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='dandy777' date='Jan 4 2006, 10:07 AM']Nice to hear that especially since many people don't even know where my country is.  So when I get fed up trying to explain that Sicily and Malta are not the same country, I end up telling people that I am Italian.   

So are these Maltese on this forum as well?
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St. Paul was shipwrecked on Malta.