philothea Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 [quote name='Theologian in Training' date='Jan 13 2006, 12:48 PM'] and I have four of the busiest classes, one in which I need to find two spiritual directee guinea pigs [right][snapback]855208[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Ooo! Cool!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAM Dad Posted January 13, 2006 Share Posted January 13, 2006 [quote name='dandy777' date='Jan 13 2006, 01:01 PM']Oh come on! He was referring to the functions and stuff. If you use that argument, every Christian represents the church in its broadest sense. [right][snapback]855142[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I'm just making the point that priest and religious are supposed to wear their clericals anytime they are in public and when they are in clericals they are representing the Church. Therefore, they are always representing the Church and it's not enough just to wear them for 'functions and stuff'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Birgitta Noel Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I went out to dinner with a priest with whom I'd gone to HS and I kinda dressed up assuming he'd be in his clerics. He showed up in civies and I laughed. I spent the evening hoping that no one thought we were a couple! Or worse, having some sort of illicit affair, as I had my ring on! LOL, he'd laugh if I told him that.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandy777 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='OLAM Dad' date='Jan 14 2006, 12:26 AM']I'm just making the point that priest and religious are supposed to wear their clericals anytime they are in public and when they are in clericals they are representing the Church. Therefore, they are always representing the Church and it's not enough just to wear them for 'functions and stuff'. [right][snapback]855417[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes I know what you mean. I hope I didn't sound rude cos it wasn't my intention .The fact that I wrote "stuff" isn't a form of disrespect. It is just that sometimes it is hard to find the exact word you wish to say / write when you are not using your own language! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandy777 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='Birgitta Noel' date='Jan 14 2006, 05:24 AM']I went out to dinner with a priest with whom I'd gone to HS and I kinda dressed up assuming he'd be in his clerics. He showed up in civies and I laughed. I spent the evening hoping that no one thought we were a couple! Or worse, having some sort of illicit affair, as I had my ring on! LOL, he'd laugh if I told him that.... [right][snapback]855676[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Oh my! I guess it was really embarrassing, wasn't it? I would never go out to dinner with a priest on my own. I always make it a point that there is another guy with us, just for the priest's sake. Unjust rumours can be really painful and cruel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAM Dad Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='dandy777' date='Jan 13 2006, 01:42 PM']That would be funny! [right][snapback]855197[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Many orders actually do wear habits in bed, it's called a night habit. You should go tell them how funny they are being. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandy777 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='OLAM Dad' date='Jan 14 2006, 02:07 PM']Many orders actually do wear habits in bed, it's called a night habit. You should go tell them how funny they are being. [right][snapback]855900[/snapback][/right] [/quote] lol... I have no problem with that believe me! My aunt is a cloistered nun and she certainly doesn't sleep in her night habit. she wears normal night dresses which are more comfortable and warm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAM Dad Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 (edited) [quote name='dandy777' date='Jan 14 2006, 07:15 AM']lol... I have no problem with that believe me! My aunt is a cloistered nun and she certainly doesn't sleep in her night habit. she wears normal night dresses which are more comfortable and warm. [right][snapback]855901[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Wow, a nun for an Aunt, how cool. I'm sure your Aunt's order allows her not to wear her night habit. Others do require it and would consider obedience more important than comfort and warmth. Same goes for a priest in public, regardless of how great a guy he is or how good looking he is, if he is required to wear clericals in public and doesn't then he is being disobedient. Lets just pray that these same priests don't have the same cavalier attitude regarding the rubrics of the Mass. Edited January 14, 2006 by OLAM Dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandy777 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='OLAM Dad' date='Jan 14 2006, 02:21 PM']Wow, a nun for an Aunt, how cool. I'm sure your Aunt's order allows her not to wear her night habit. Others do require it and would consider obedience more important than comfort and warmth. Same goes for a priest in public, regardless of how great a guy he is or how good looking he is, if he is required to wear clericals in public and doesn't then he is being disobedient. Lets just pray that these same priests don't have the same cavalier attitude regarding the rubrics of the Mass. [right][snapback]855902[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually I don't know if they have any rule about that. I never bothered to ask her. Yes she forms part of one of the few remaining orders founded by the Knights of St. John. I posted some pictures on another thread about her order. [url="http://www.phatmass.com/phorum/index.php?showtopic=45419&st=0"]This is the link[/url] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
son_of_angels Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 I have a friend in Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary for the FSSP. He wears his cassock all they time, and comments regularly on how comfortable it is (he has a softer/looser fitting cassock for casual occasions, with a few less buttons, etc. and a more formal cassock for choir duty). Personally, I would prefer a nice flowing cassock to a black suit, or even most lay clothes any day (though I'm yet to have to wear one). But I do feel strongly that, at least when a priest is at the church or in public, he should wear his cassock or the other clerical garb (though I like the cassock better). The rectory I also think should be treated as a sort of "mini-monastery" where a great deal of priests may pass through at any moment, hence the wearing of the cassock is a way to show that even one's home is a sanctuary for the church. As for working with youth, the "fear" or "intimidation" that is seen as a downside among many, I feel is just a fabrication from two sources: one, the liberal/modern priests who simply don't want to wear their cassocks and, two, from the sixties and seventies when young people reacted badly to all symbols of authority. Both are exactly the people who need to be ministered to FROM the dignity of the Church, not AROUND it; and trust and confidence will be gained as much from someone looking into the eyes of one they RESPECT and finding there friendship and hope, as they ever will looking into the eyes of someone that looks exactly like them and finding simply a person wanting to be mean and popular. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theologian in Training Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 (edited) [quote name='OLAM Dad' date='Jan 14 2006, 08:21 AM'] Same goes for a priest in public, regardless of how great a guy he is or how good looking he is, if he is required to wear clericals in public and doesn't then he is being disobedient. Lets just pray that these same priests don't have the same cavalier attitude regarding the rubrics of the Mass. [right][snapback]855902[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I knew that I should never have gotten involved in this conversation in the first place. It always seems that if we do not "glue" our clerics on, as it were, then immediately judgment is passed that we are, in turn, liberal all around. I am sorry you feel that way. God Bless Edited January 14, 2006 by Theologian in Training Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAM Dad Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='Theologian in Training' date='Jan 14 2006, 10:44 AM']I knew that I should never have gotten involved in this conversation in the first place. It always seems that if we do not "glue" our clerics on, as it were, then immediately judgment is passed that we are, in turn, liberal all around. I am sorry you feel that way. God Bless [right][snapback]855965[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You're sorry I feel what way? I never singled you out. I don't even know whether you are required to wear clericals in public. I don't know you, I don't know what diocese you're in and I don't know what rules you're required to live by. I'm just saying that if it is a requirement for you then you should. Further more, if somebody was required to wear them and didn't why should I not wonder what other rules they are willing to break? On the other hand, if you're not required to wear them in public then, although I would prefer that you would, you're not being disobedient for not doing so and it is just a simple difference of opinion between you and me. I am sorry that I hurt your feelings, it wasn't my intent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OLAM Dad Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='son_of_angels' date='Jan 14 2006, 08:55 AM']I have a friend in Our Lady of Guadalupe Seminary for the FSSP. He wears his cassock all they time, and comments regularly on how comfortable it is (he has a softer/looser fitting cassock for casual occasions, with a few less buttons, etc. and a more formal cassock for choir duty). Personally, I would prefer a nice flowing cassock to a black suit, or even most lay clothes any day (though I'm yet to have to wear one). But I do feel strongly that, at least when a priest is at the church or in public, he should wear his cassock or the other clerical garb (though I like the cassock better). The rectory I also think should be treated as a sort of "mini-monastery" where a great deal of priests may pass through at any moment, hence the wearing of the cassock is a way to show that even one's home is a sanctuary for the church. As for working with youth, the "fear" or "intimidation" that is seen as a downside among many, I feel is just a fabrication from two sources: one, the liberal/modern priests who simply don't want to wear their cassocks and, two, from the sixties and seventies when young people reacted badly to all symbols of authority. Both are exactly the people who need to be ministered to FROM the dignity of the Church, not AROUND it; and trust and confidence will be gained as much from someone looking into the eyes of one they RESPECT and finding there friendship and hope, as they ever will looking into the eyes of someone that looks exactly like them and finding simply a person wanting to be mean and popular. [right][snapback]855918[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theologian in Training Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='OLAM Dad' date='Jan 14 2006, 01:34 PM']You're sorry I feel what way? I never singled you out. I don't even know whether you are required to wear clericals in public. I don't know you, I don't know what diocese you're in and I don't know what rules you're required to live by. I'm just saying that if it is a requirement for you then you should. Further more, if somebody was required to wear them and didn't why should I not wonder what other rules they are willing to break? On the other hand, if you're not required to wear them in public then, although I would prefer that you would, you're not being disobedient for not doing so and it is just a simple difference of opinion between you and me. I am sorry that I hurt your feelings, it wasn't my intent. [right][snapback]856011[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Ok, let's try this a different way. First, you did not "hurt my feelings" and such comments are really not needed. Second, you know I wear clerics, since you directly responded to my comment about being a representative of the Church and your comment that everything I do is representative of the Church. Third, I see that you are relatively new to the forums, so I will tell you that I am an ordained transitional deacon and will be ordained to the priesthood in May. I wear my clerics most of the time, but when I am at the seminary (working or studying) or hanging out with friends I don't. You may not agree, and that is fine, but the tendency also exists that some may think I am a priest and want me to anoint or hear confession which I cannot do right now anyway. I will most likely wear them more when I am a priest, just given the difference in atmosphere and the like. However, to say I will wear them everywhere and at all times is not true. In fact, depending on the situation, I may not wear them on my day off. That does not mean people will stop recognizing me, in fact, I know many priests who are recognized by their parishoners whether they are wearing clerics or not. Finally, priests that don't wear their clerics at all, or to major functions, or wear suit and tie are obviously trying to hide from something, or do not want to be fully true to their identity, and I agree and recognize that, however, if a priest does not want to wear his clerics going to the movies or shopping, I don't see a problem with that. Yes, he is a representative of the Church, and that never stops, but sometimes a priest, on his day off mostly, likes to unwind and feel comfortable every once in a while. I am not trying to be scandalous, and think that a priest who never wears his clerics is more scandalous than one who does not wear it once or twice going out to a movie or something. Just my .02, take it for what it's worth. God Bless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raptor13 Posted January 14, 2006 Share Posted January 14, 2006 [quote name='hugheyforlife' date='Jan 13 2006, 01:02 PM']just wanted to post this again without actually posting it again for those who might have missed it. [right][snapback]855228[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Don't forget that the Catholic Encyclopedia that is online is almost a century behind. These may or may not be the current rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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