nuns without habits and priests without clerics

[homeschoolmom]

I love our priests.

[Marieteresa]

Hey I saw a priest at publix (grocery store) yesterday evening, It was pretty cool I was going to say hello but decided to leave him be. I just dont see a priest out wearing his clerics often. Just my 10 cents

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

How can you tell the difference between a Catholic Priest and an anglican Priest?

[StMichael]

I agree with you and I feel that the honor that goes along with a Priest should be evident by their clothing. A few Priests in my parish are always in their clerics.

As for nuns. Well my old parish the nuns wear full habits (white gowns with black habits) and my current parish, nothing. Street clothes.

You can thank Vatican II for this as nuns were given the option not to help the poor or act as teachers and opt for other work as well as to wear the modern day garments.

Honestly, to see a nun with a handbag and business suit/ dress makes it appear as though nuns have disappeared.

Sad.

[quote name='photosynthesis' date='Jan 13 2006, 12:31 AM']what's the deal with priests who don't wear their clerics, and nuns without habits?  Is it a sin not to wear clerics/habits all the time?  Does the Magesterium approve of this, or merely tolerate it, hoping that they come to their senses?

It certainly doesn't put me at ease.  It's not the clothes that matter, so much as what the clothes symbolize.  Wearing clerics + habits symbolizes that the religious or priest is 100% devoted to serving the Church.  Whenever I see someone without clerics or a habit, I sometimes wonder about how dedicated they are to their service, or how faithful they are to the Magesterium.

I've been going to this young adult center in New Jersey...  there is a priest, and he gives solid homilies, he doesn't do anything weird during the liturgy, and he was leading a theology discussion tonight and I didn't find anything erroneous in what he said.  However the fact that he was wearing a Mets T-shirt makes me wonder.  Am I crazy?
[right][snapback]854780[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]

[StMichael]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 14 2006, 01:38 PM']How can you tell the difference between a Catholic Priest and an anglican Priest?
[right][snapback]856047[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]

One is actually a Priest and the other denies the Vatican.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

I know that.


But don't they dress the same?

[cappie]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' date='Jan 15 2006, 03:44 AM']I knew  that I should never have gotten involved in this conversation in the first place. It always seems that if we do not "glue" our clerics on, as it were, then immediately judgment is passed that we are, in turn, liberal all around.

I am sorry you feel that way.

God Bless
[right][snapback]855965[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]

The most sensible comment on this thread. Congratulations

We have had this conversation a few times before

[Mercy me]

I am in Florida and here some protestant ministers wear clerics. It through me for a loop the first time I saw a woman wearing a collar. Can't say that I will ever be comfortable with that.

As for my opinion on the topic of this thread. I think that clerics or habits are a powerful witness to those around them. As a youth minister I used to show at the schools. Our teens were always caught off guard. Sometimes our everyday life and our faith life are not always one in the same. Just by showing up at the school it forced them to remember the lessons of what we taught on Sunday and bring it there to school. For me clerics or a habit can do the same.

[qfnol31]

The only time I will say anything about Priest not in clerics is when he celebrates Mass with just regular clothes and a stole without any reason.

I have seen that before, and it's kinda sad.

[ruso]

This subject gives for much. In a trip organized to London with other Spaniards, they removed more photos to a woman Anglican
priest with collar of cleric that to the cathedral, it was the first time that see one.
In the opus dei all the priests use cassock. Although in summer some underneath the cassock use bermuda shorts, it made us laugh much
when we found out.

[Ave Maria Totus Tuus]

Last year I saw my old parish priest at the grocery store. He was wearing clerics, minus the white collar. But, he had a white hankerchief folded neatly and sticking out of his breast pocket. It looked really cool, I thought it was a neat way to go "casual" without wearing the collar!

[qfnol31]

Ruso, parla italiano o ¿hablas español?

[daugher-of-Mary]

Some of our Benedictines manage to play football almost fully habited. They do pass off their scapulars to the closest little kid first though, and tell them to guard it with their lives.

[ruso]

[quote name='qfnol31' date='Jan 15 2006, 03:20 AM']Ruso, parla italiano o ¿hablas español?
[right][snapback]856243[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]
Soy Español

[qfnol31]

[quote name='ruso' date='Jan 14 2006, 08:56 PM']Soy Español
[right][snapback]856274[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]

Yo hablo español también.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

i speak a little but quit taking it because i never paid attention and fell behind

[dandy777]

[quote name='Theologian in Training' date='Jan 14 2006, 08:16 PM']Ok, let's try this a different way.

First, you did not "hurt my feelings" and such comments are really not needed.

Second, you know I wear clerics, since you directly responded to my comment about being a representative of the Church and your comment that everything I do is representative of the Church.

Third, I see that you are relatively new to the forums, so I will tell you that I am an ordained transitional deacon and will be ordained to the priesthood in May. I wear my clerics most of the time, but when I am at the seminary (working or studying) or hanging out with friends I don't. You may not agree, and that is fine, but the tendency also exists that some may think I am a priest and want me to anoint or hear confession which I cannot do right now anyway. I will most likely wear them more when I am a priest, just given the difference in atmosphere and the like. However, to say I will wear them everywhere and at all times is not true. In fact, depending on the situation, I may not wear them on my day off. That does not mean people will stop recognizing me, in fact, I know many priests who are recognized by their parishoners whether they are wearing clerics or not.

Finally, priests that don't wear their clerics at all, or to major functions, or wear suit and tie are obviously trying to hide from something, or do not want to be fully true to their identity, and I agree and recognize that, however, if a priest does not want to wear his clerics going to the movies or shopping, I don't see a problem with that. Yes, he is a representative of the Church, and that never stops, but sometimes a priest, on his day off mostly, likes to unwind and feel comfortable every once in a while. I am not trying to be scandalous, and think that a priest who never wears his clerics is more scandalous than one who does not wear it once or twice going out to a movie or something.

Just my .02, take it for what it's worth.

God Bless
[right][snapback]856021[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]


I totally agree.

[dandy777]

@ Extra: I can't actually tell the difference between catholic and protestant clerics yet I think there is some kind of difference in the collar part. I have never seen a woman wearing clerics though. I guess it would be pretty shocking at first.

[son_of_angels]

[quote name='dandy777' date='Jan 15 2006, 04:17 AM']@ Extra: I can't actually tell the difference between catholic and protestant clerics yet I think there is some kind of difference in the collar part.  I have never seen a woman wearing clerics though. I guess it would be pretty shocking at first.
[right][snapback]856502[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]


The Anglican cassock is generally double breasted, while the Roman Cassock is generally single-breasted. Also, when both are just wearing a black suit, generally an Anglican/other Protestant minister will have a full all around collar, but this is not a sure bet because there are some Catholic orders that use this type of collar as well (I think). Also, non-catholic ministers/priests may also be more willing to wear clerical shirts of more colours than just black.
My old pastor, when I was an ELCA Lutheran, was a woman, and she wore her clerical shirt under a dress suit (or whatever that thing old women wear is called), and admittedly, it was a bit odd. It was also odd at the consecration (so to speak) for the minister to have fingernail polish on while lifting the bread. I once suggested that she paint her nails according to the liturgical colour.
Not a bad pastor though, as Protestant ones go.....

[dandy777]

[quote name='son_of_angels' date='Jan 15 2006, 03:30 PM']The Anglican cassock is generally double breasted, while the Roman Cassock is generally single-breasted.  Also, when both are just wearing a black suit, generally an Anglican/other Protestant minister will have a full all around collar, but this is not a sure bet because there are some Catholic orders that use this type of collar as well (I think).  Also, non-catholic ministers/priests may also be more willing to wear clerical shirts of more colours than just black.[/quote]

Thanks for that clarification. I knew there was something different in the collar yet I never noticed if the cassock is single or double breasted.

[quote name='son_of_angels' date='Jan 15 2006, 03:30PM']My old pastor, when I was an ELCA Lutheran, was a woman, and she wore her clerical shirt under a dress suit (or whatever that thing old women wear is called), and admittedly, it was a bit odd. It was also odd at the consecration (so to speak) for the minister to have fingernail polish on while lifting the bread. I once suggested that she paint her nails according to the liturgical colour.
Not a bad pastor though, as Protestant ones go.....
[right][snapback]856541[/snapback][/right]
[/quote]

Well, I think I would feel very very awkward with a woman priest. I am totally against women being ordained as priests whether they be Catholic or Protestant. I have nothing against women who preach as long as they remain lay people, though. Joyce Meyer is a non-Catholic yet she is a good preacher. But to have women celebrating mass or worse confessing is totally out of question for me. No matter how discriminatory it sounds.