Ora et Labora Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 19 2006, 05:32 PM']no more respect for me? sure i will defiently keep in touch sam [right][snapback]861316[/snapback][/right] [/quote] no...im not joking around here. what happened? learn the catechism of the catholic church...forget the mods and the trads! please! but i know...its not easy. god never said it would be, did he?
musturde Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 19 2006, 05:34 PM']im tired of self righteous trads who "know everything" yet are in schim. and Im tired of liberals pissing tradition away. [right][snapback]861319[/snapback][/right] [/quote] It takes too much time to understand all this stuff. The best thing to do to believe something is to doubt it. Chesterton even talked about it. I suggest in this situation though, to not leave because you dont understand others but just stay with what you see. Read up on the history and come to your own conclusion.
musturde Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Ora et Labora' date='Jan 19 2006, 05:36 PM']no...im not joking around here. what happened? learn the catechism of the catholic church...forget the mods and the trads! please! but i know...its not easy. god never said it would be, did he? [right][snapback]861322[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Come on, you've never doubted your faith? Most people go through a phase like this. It just takes time to get over it. I'll be praying for you Ex.
Ash Wednesday Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 19 2006, 05:34 PM']im tired of self righteous trads who "know everything" yet are in schim. and Im tired of liberals pissing tradition away. [right][snapback]861319[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Look at it this way -- all the more people to make fun of. (Just kidding.) I think the church would be better off if Catholics (on whatever end of the spectrum they are -- liberal or traditional) spent less time reading books or flapping their lips and more time in prayer.
Ora et Labora Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='musturde' date='Jan 19 2006, 05:37 PM']It takes too much time to understand all this stuff. The best thing to do to believe something is to doubt it. Chesterton even talked about it. I suggest in this situation though, to not leave because you dont understand others but just stay with what you see. Read up on the history and come to your own conclusion. [right][snapback]861325[/snapback][/right] [/quote] that doesnt make sense...stay with what you see? what if what he sees is wrong? what then? should he still stick with it?
tojo Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 19 2006, 07:34 PM']im tired of self righteous trads who "know everything" yet are in schim. and Im tired of liberals pissing tradition away. [right][snapback]861319[/snapback][/right] [/quote] There are people who fall somewhere in between.... it's a big Church....
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 i don't want an agrument, especially between two believers. that was not my intention. thanks for all the advice and prayers. its been real. PEACE.
Ora et Labora Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='musturde' date='Jan 19 2006, 05:39 PM']Come on, you've never doubted your faith? Most people go through a phase like this. It just takes time to get over it. I'll be praying for you Ex. [right][snapback]861328[/snapback][/right] [/quote] thats true...i doupted it at a time...thats when i found this phamily. they helped a lot!
Ora et Labora Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 19 2006, 05:41 PM']i don't want an agrument, especially between two believers. that was not my intention. thanks for all the advice and prayers. its been real. PEACE. [right][snapback]861336[/snapback][/right] [/quote] its been real but not satisfying to a humans emotional content. it all comes down to that. your leaving cuz you dont [i]feel[/i] like trying anymore. thats really to bad.
musturde Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Ora et Labora' date='Jan 19 2006, 05:40 PM']that doesnt make sense...stay with what you see? what if what he sees is wrong? what then? should he still stick with it? [right][snapback]861333[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I meant his faith right now. Like, don't go crazy over the history if it'll ruin your faith.
Guest Rick777 Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 Much Prayers Extra ecclesiam nulla salus, its been cool, email me sometime.
Paphnutius Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 But Sam what does St. Paul tell us about divisions in the Church? 1 Cor 11:18-19 [quote]18 First of all, I hear that when you meet as a church there are divisions among you, and to a degree I believe it; 19 there have to be factions among you in order that (also) those who are approved among you may become known.[/quote] And did Christ not tell us in the Gosepl according to Matthew that both weeds and wheat will grow beside each other? Be not scandalized by divisions. Use them as a moment of grace to grow closer to Christ.
Extra ecclesiam nulla salus Posted January 20, 2006 Author Posted January 20, 2006 (edited) i would ricky but i can't becasue as a "phishy" i can't acess others emails. for anyone who wants it here is my email [mod]personal information[/mod] God Bless, Sam Edited May 31, 2006 by Lil Red
Guest Rick777 Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 well here goes anyway: raiderricky16@sbcglobal.net
Anastasia13 Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Jan 19 2006, 04:24 PM']well I am tired of having to figure stuff out. I have no idea what is true, or how to find truth. But i am not some moral relitivist who thinks there is more than one truth. I just have to find it first. But yes i feel that sometimes all these rules are to hard to follow. ALso "The truth will set you free" thats a quote from the Bible. I have never ever felt free. [right][snapback]861311[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You know one thing that is true. Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life." Start with that. Look to Him and let the rest fall in from there. Studying theology doesn't make saints; it makes theologians. Jesus makes us saints because of the new nature that we receive as Christians. Whatever you do, please don't let some uncertainty or doubt or something hard cause you to walk away from what you have known to be true.
Fidei Defensor Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 Do what you feel is right. However, you will feel quite empty if you leave the Church. Prayerfully decide where to go in your journey. Dont base anything on feelings. Prayers for you.
Norseman82 Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 [quote name='Ash Wednesday' date='Jan 19 2006, 05:34 PM']Figuring things out takes an entire lifetime, and then some. [right][snapback]861318[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Sam, Heed Ash's words. You're what - 14 or 15? The journey has just begun! Don't quit the faith, instead seek the gift of fortitude from the Holy Spirit.
catholicinsd Posted January 20, 2006 Posted January 20, 2006 Bye Sam! But I thought you wanted to be a priest. My email is daisherb@hotmail.com
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