Socrates Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='photosynthesis' date='Feb 2 2006, 12:14 PM']most marriages I've seen don't even come close to Ephesians 5. I live in soap opera land. I don't think husbands have any special endowment that makes them more capable of making decisions or being the head of a household. However, SOMEONE has to be the head of a household. Someone must lead, someone must follow. That doesn't mean men are better suited for this than women but God did choose men to be the head of the household for a reason. [right][snapback]873186[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote]However, what I want you to understand is that Christ is the head of every man, man is the head of woman and God is the head of Christ.[/quote]1 Corinthians 11:3 In the Christian family, the man is given headship and authority over his wife. A man who does not act as head of his family is not doing his job. This includes not following the command to love his wife, and acting like a jerk or a petty tyrant. Because many men fail in their duties, this does not mean they should not aspire to them. Being head of a family (as being the head of anything) is not a license to do whatever one pleases and abuse his authority, but a serious duty, which a man will be judged on. If both men and women lived up to their respective duties, there would not be so much strife and problems in the married life.
Colleen Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 (edited) [quote name='qfnol31' date='Feb 2 2006, 06:44 PM']Yikes, if you think I'm bossy on here, you really don't want to ever meet me in person. : [right][snapback]873595[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yeah, you're so bossy you make [i]me[/i] choose what to do when we're together. Why can't you just let me submit to your decisions all the time? : Edited February 3, 2006 by Colleen
photosynthesis Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='track2004' date='Feb 2 2006, 06:40 PM']See our talk was nothing too serious... more like distant future talk, but the conclusion that I'd win all the bread wasn't a "have to" thing it was a "want to" thing. He was cool with that too, because his job will not be as regular. I wanted the job, wanted the career, and it's not a thing I could really do part time. Me having a full time job 40 hrs a week 50 weeks a year would be better for us (and for any family that might later exist) than him working 80 hrs a week in some distant location 30 weeks a year (working on a movie set somewhere). So it wouldn't be him unable to work, but us deciding my job is more apt for breadwinning.... I don't know I guess this just points out that every relationship is different and works different ways. [right][snapback]873502[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I think if he could have done what he wanted to do (get a Ph.D and teach) I'd have been a lot happier being a stay at home mom and letting him work, than if I did what I wanted to do (be a journalist), even if it meant less money and a lot of sacrifices. It is ideal for the man to work so that the woman is able to be at home. As an unemployed bum, I am thoroughly enjoying drinking coffee and phatmassing and studying theology all day instead of working. although that won't last long. [quote name='Socrates' date='Feb 2 2006, 07:53 PM']1 Corinthians 11:3 In the Christian family, the man is given headship and authority over his wife. A man who does not act as head of his family is not doing his job. This includes not following the command to love his wife, and acting like a jerk or a petty tyrant. Because many men fail in their duties, this does not mean they should not aspire to them. Being head of a family (as being the head of anything) is not a license to do whatever one pleases and abuse his authority, but a serious duty, which a man will be judged on. If both men and women lived up to their respective duties, there would not be so much strife and problems in the married life. [right][snapback]873616[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I agree! One of my favorite JP2 quotes is "God has assigned to every man the dignity of every woman."
toledo_jesus Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 all this talk. HMPH! Keep the wimmins in the kitchens and the menfolk fed and workin'. That's all ya need.
Cow of Shame Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Feb 3 2006, 12:00 AM']Keep the wimmins in the kitchens [/quote] I see you handily didn't give details as to what they should be doing in the kitchen. "She's an angel in the bedroom and a whore in the kitchen" "I thought it was the other way around" "Not last night"
photosynthesis Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Feb 3 2006, 12:00 AM']all this talk. HMPH! Keep the wimmins in the kitchens and the menfolk fed and workin'. That's all ya need. [right][snapback]874022[/snapback][/right] [/quote] you spelled women as "wimmen." That's the radical feminist way of spelling it....haha makes me nostalgic for my academic feminist days where we'd sit around and try to think up ways to change American language.... but only for a millisecond
scardella Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 2 2006, 11:44 AM']It is a mutual submission. But in the same way male and female are equal yet different, so this submission is mutual yet essentially different. The submission of a wife is to the husband as head of the family, as the visible sign of authority. The submission of the husband is to the wife as his own flesh. Her good is his good. He must humbly submit to her wisdom and her gifts, because they have become his own. He can't make decisions despite her, but with and for her. John Paul emphasizes that the submission is mutual because ultimately, both are subject to Christ. The relationship is an ongoing, mutual effort to discern and carry out the will of Christ. This does not abolish proper roles (man is, by nature, a leader), but it puts them in proper light. It's much like Augustine and his own conception of the episcopacy: "I am a Bishop for you, but I am a Christian with you". Headship is not an occasion for dominance, but service. [right][snapback]873132[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote name='Era Might' date='Feb 2 2006, 12:24 PM']Too many chiefs, not enough indians, as they say. A husband has to trust in his wife's wisdom, because it is her gift as a woman. But a wife also has to trust in his decisions as leader and head of the family, because it is HIS gift as a man. This doesn't mean whatever he commands is law, if not motivated by charity and right reason. But if a husband and a wife are both working with the mind of Christ, then the husband must have the role of leadership. A humble docility to this leadership is a virtue on the part of the wife. [right][snapback]873209[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I couldn't say it any better.
Brother Adam Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 hehe. see it isn't difficult. a husband is a servant, and a wife is submissive. If a husband takes his role seriously, problems with leadership and submission really do not arise.
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Feb 3 2006, 08:14 AM']hehe. see it isn't difficult. a husband is a servant, and a wife is submissive. If a husband takes his role seriously, problems with leadership and submission really do not arise. [right][snapback]874252[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You command is my wish....I mean...your wish is my command...I mean...I mean... I you!
Brother Adam Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 3 2006, 09:16 AM']You command is my wish....I mean...your wish is my command...I mean...I mean... I you! [right][snapback]874253[/snapback][/right] [/quote] sha. its the other way around.
Jaime Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 This thread is becoming dangerous to your diabetes Teresa
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Feb 3 2006, 08:39 AM']This thread is becoming dangerous to your diabetes Teresa [right][snapback]874270[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Eh...I've got them under control. Haven't had a 'high' blood sugar level in a couple of months :
Jaime Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 Good for you! I'm just saying the sweetness of the thread is putting your glucose levels in danger
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Feb 3 2006, 08:45 AM']Good for you! I'm just saying the sweetness of the thread is putting your glucose levels in danger [right][snapback]874277[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Oh...No me gusta sweet sugary things. They taste muy bad. : But if sweet things were dangerous to my glucose levels, then I would have to stay away from Adam :
Brother Adam Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 3 2006, 09:46 AM']Oh...No me gusta sweet sugary things. They taste muy bad. : But if sweet things were dangerous to my glucose levels, then I would have to stay away from Adam : [right][snapback]874279[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Lord, Shoot me.
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='Brother Adam' date='Feb 3 2006, 08:51 AM']Lord, Shoot me. [right][snapback]874285[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I's just kidding. You and I both know how mean you are!
homeschoolmom Posted February 3, 2006 Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='Mrs. Bro. Adam' date='Feb 3 2006, 09:43 AM']Eh...I've got them under control. Haven't had a 'high' blood sugar level in a couple of months : [right][snapback]874275[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Diabetes is plural? Is it possible to only have one diabete?
Mrs. Bro. Adam Posted February 3, 2006 Author Posted February 3, 2006 [quote name='homeschoolmom' date='Feb 3 2006, 10:27 AM']Diabetes is plural? Is it possible to only have one diabete? [right][snapback]874371[/snapback][/right] [/quote] When it comes to having varying levels :
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