Socrates Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Feb 20 2006, 08:59 PM']Truth be told I think organazation with love child rules are helping the pro-abortion movement. [right][snapback]893386[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Obviously . . . "Oh Tommy, I just found out I'm pregnant . . . with your baby!" "Oh Suzy, that's awesome! Let's keep him, he can be our little lovechild, then he can grow up and join Opus Dei!" "But Tommy, illegitimate kids aren't allowed in Opus Dei!" "Oh, forget it then. Let's just abort the little bastard!" "Yeah, good idea!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Feb 20 2006, 10:17 PM']Obviously . . . "Oh Tommy, I just found out I'm pregnant . . . with your baby!" "Oh Suzy, that's awesome! Let's keep him, he can be our little lovechild, then he can grow up and join Opus Dei!" "But Tommy, illegitimate kids aren't allowed in Opus Dei!" "Oh, forget it then. Let's just abort the little bastard!" "Yeah, good idea!" [right][snapback]893402[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Haha. But you look at how Roe v. Wade was argued, then one can understand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socrates Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Feb 20 2006, 09:19 PM']Haha. But you look at how Roe v. Wade was argued, then one can understand. [right][snapback]893406[/snapback][/right] [/quote] As far as I'm aware, membership in Opus Dei had nothing to do with how Roe v. Wade was argued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Feb 20 2006, 10:21 PM']As far as I'm aware, membership in Opus Dei had nothing to do with how Roe v. Wade was argued. [right][snapback]893407[/snapback][/right] [/quote] That's correct, but Roe's lawyers argued that love children and their mothers couldn't enjoy life to its fullest, in part because organazations such as opus dei, discrimated againist them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miche11e Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 Right now I'm just feeling really sad. My first child was born before I was married, My next 11 were born after we married. It was my sin, I have repented and I know God has forgiven me, and the birth of that son, my son was the beginning of my journey toward really knowing God; but now I found that my sin can be held against my son. This rule makes absolutely NO sense. Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
catholicinsd Posted February 21, 2006 Author Share Posted February 21, 2006 [quote name='miche11e' date='Feb 20 2006, 11:02 PM']Right now I'm just feeling really sad. My first child was born before I was married, My next 11 were born after we married. It was my sin, I have repented and I know God has forgiven me, and the birth of that son, my son was the beginning of my journey toward really knowing God; but now I found that my sin can be held against my son. This rule makes absolutely NO sense. Michelle [right][snapback]893451[/snapback][/right] [/quote] You're right it doesn't. [b]Opus Dei is wrong. [/b] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fidei Defensor Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 [quote name='catholicinsd' date='Feb 21 2006, 01:23 PM']You're right it doesn't. [b]Opus Dei is wrong. [/b] [right][snapback]893810[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [b]The Holy See disagrees.[/b] You are still treating Opus Dei as a club. Its not. As Cam has pointed out many times, its a vocation. God calls you. If you were not so bent to hate Opus Dei, you would realize that life is not fair. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 [quote name='missionseeker' date='Feb 12 2006, 10:12 PM']Catholicinsd should read WE'RE ON A MISSION FROM GOD by Mary Beth Bonacci There's a chapter about dealing with being born out of wedlock [right][snapback]885432[/snapback][/right] [/quote] great book. i love the cover of it too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cam42 Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 [quote name='fidei defensor' date='Feb 21 2006, 06:23 PM'][b]The Holy See disagrees.[/b] You are still treating Opus Dei as a club. Its not. As Cam has pointed out many times, its a vocation. God calls you. If you were not so bent to hate Opus Dei, you would realize that life is not fair. [right][snapback]894019[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I apologize for posting after the closing of the thread, but I cannot let the misunderstanding of Opus Dei simply go by. The important thing to understand about the Opus Dei vocation is that it is a "lay" vocation that emphasizes sanctification of everyday realities (especially work, but really everything). Some people can never understand this. The reason for that is that for many people "sanctification" is the business of priests and religious (monks and nuns) and involves religious practices associated with priests and religious. Hence, for these people, for a lay person to try to struggle for sanctity would mean trying to live the life of a priest or a nun in the middle of the world. This is not the nature of the Opus Dei vocation (it is the nature of a Third-Order Vocation, such as Third-Order Carmelites, Franciscans, etc.). There may be historical reasons for the clerical bias in Catholicism , but this was not the original nature of the lay vocation. This is captured in the "Letter to Diognetus" (2nd or 3rd century): "For Christians are not distinguished from the rest of mankind by country, or by speech, or by dress. For they do not dwell in cities of their own, or use a different language, or practice a peculiar life." In other words, Christians are just like everybody else in externals: it's in their interior life that they differ. Religious, on the other hand, by the very nature of their vocation, separate themselves from the world; that's why their vocation is traditionally marked by the wearing of some habit or other external sign. Vatican II tried to restore the dignity of the vocation of the laity (emphasizing the role of the laity in Christianizing the world) but because of the "clerical phenomenon" many people have misinterpreted it to mean that the laity should participate more in liturgy (become readers, Eucharistic ministers, deacons, etc.). This is not the spirit of Opus Dei. The spirit of Opus Dei is to give the Church (and the world) mothers, fathers, teachers, doctors, lawyers, journalists, actors, truck drivers, waiters, garbage men, hairdressers, etc., etc. who are saints. How much better would the world be if this were to happen? How much better would the world be if we had politicians who were saints? So, the point is, that the pious practices in Opus Dei are not ends in themselves. There are people who like hanging around churches all day: this kind of person does not generally understand Opus Dei. Nonetheless, prayer and piety are extremely important, for they help the person in the middle of the world to maintain a presence of God throughout the day and also help him gain the grace he needs to fight the battle for sanctity in his personal situation. The founder of Opus Dei thus developed a spiritual "plan of life" for Opus Dei's members that would fit their unique personal circumstances "like a glove." Thus, although there is an absolute unity of vocation among members, you might say that there are as many different ways of living it as there are people and professions. Members of Opus Dei have a "plan of life" that consists of practices of piety that are available to any Catholic: daily Mass, weekly confession, a time of mental prayer (meditation) in the morning and evening, daily reading of the Gospel, daily spiritual reading (apart from the Gospel), daily recitation of the Rosary, monthly day of recollection (a "mini-retreat), a yearly retreat (a weekend time of silent prayer with homilies given by the priest), and spiritual guidance (a fraternal "chat") with a layperson or priest every week or every two weeks, depending upon time and schedules). But these are means, not ends: they help a person know and love God better and to be aware of God's presence throughout the day. One can thereby offer all work to God and thereby convert that work into prayer. Thus, one really is able to live a contemplative life (as contemplative as the life of any Carmelite): but in the world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lil Red Posted February 21, 2006 Share Posted February 21, 2006 we are done with this thread. God bless everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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