Nicole8223 Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 (edited) [quote name='hot stuff' date='Mar 2 2006, 02:51 PM']Let's be real clear here kids There is a HUGE difference between feeling depressed and clinical depression Its like calling me a master chef because I can make hamburgers. [right][snapback]901641[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Can you make me a hamburger, Oh powerful Master Chef hot stuff? PS...HI!!! Edited March 2, 2006 by Nicole8223
Lil Red Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 [quote name='hot stuff' date='Mar 2 2006, 12:51 PM']Its like calling me a master chef because I can make hamburgers.[right][snapback]901641[/snapback][/right][/quote] but, i heard your burgers are so wonderfully awesome!
Lil Red Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 how about with tillamook cheddar coagulated milk???
Jaime Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 [quote name='Norseman82' date='Mar 2 2006, 02:34 PM']Can I have one with swiss? [right][snapback]901679[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [quote name='Lil Red' date='Mar 2 2006, 03:00 PM']how about with tillamook cheddar coagulated milk??? [right][snapback]901697[/snapback][/right] [/quote] [b]Ding Ding[/b] ORDER UP!!
cmotherofpirl Posted March 2, 2006 Posted March 2, 2006 Nature, Nurture And The Risk Of Depression Some people are more than twice as likely to become depressed as others, given similar circumstances, according to landmark research from Brain Sciences UNSW (University of New South Wales). The paper, which has just been published in the British Journal of Psychiatry, has found more than a fifth of the population has a genetic predisposition to depression, in response to a series of stressful life events. Brain Sciences UNSW represents researchers from the University of New South Wales (UNSW) and its affiliated research institutes and teaching hospitals including the Prince of Wales Medical Research Institute, Black Dog Institute, Garvan Institute of Medical Research, St Vincent's Hospital and Prince of Wales Hospital. The researchers based their findings on DNA samples of a group of 127 people who have been monitored for over 25 years for depression onset and major life events. 42 percent met criteria for lifetime major depression. "We have been following a group of school teachers who graduated in 1978," said the lead author of the paper, UNSW Associate Professor of Psychiatry Kay Wilhelm, who is based at St Vincent's Hospital in Sydney. "We've been catching up with them every five years since, to see if there has been any onset of depression and if there have been any major life events." "There is an 80 percent chance that those with the genetic predisposition will become depressed, if there are three or more negative life events in a year," said the geneticist on the paper, Professor Peter Schofield, who is Director of the Prince of Wales Medical Research Institute (POWMRI). "This contrasts with some people who have genetic resilience against depression," said Professor Schofield. "Even in similar situations, there's only a 30 percent chance of them becoming depressed." There are three different genetic types in the population. 21 percent of people have the genotype that predisposes them to depression 26 percent of people have the genotype with resilience to depression 53 percent of people have a mix of the two genotypes The research also showed there was a 'tipping point' in regards to environmental factors. "It's not just one negative life event, such as a health crisis," said Professor Philip Mitchell, Head of the UNSW School of Psychiatry and Convenor of Brain Sciences UNSW. "The critical issue here is when you're exposed to a series of life events during a period of a year. There is a threshold." "Our research is significant because there are social, psychological and genetic aspects to it," said Professor Schofield. "While there is plenty of evidence surrounding the significance of family history of depression, until now there has been very little idea about the specific genes involved." "We already had a chart for each individual's life events and whether or not they had had a depressive episode," said Professor Wilhelm, who has tracked the teachers for most of her career with UNSW Professor Gordon Parker, from the Black Dog Institute. "Now the genetic tests back that up. We are the first study to be able to look at the genetics and the five years leading up to the first depressive episode." "The research has some very significant implications," said Professor Wilhelm. "Perhaps you could reduce the likelihood of depression amongst those with the vulnerable genotype, by training them up in terms of improving their coping styles and stress responses. "Eventually you might be able to better identify those who are likely to be at risk, suggest psychological treatment at times and even work out the best kind of antidepressant to use, if the need arises." Other authors of the paper 'Life events, first depression onset and the serotonin transporter gene' are Heather Niven, Adam Finch, Lucinda Wedgwood, Anna Scimone, Ian Blair and Gordon Parker. ### The Australian National Health and Medical Research Council has funded the research.
OP_MOM Posted March 3, 2006 Posted March 3, 2006 [b]A New Culprit In Depression? Study Finds Surprising Differences In Gene Activity In The Brains Of Depressed People [/b] ANN ARBOR, MI - The brains of people with severe depression have lower levels of several related molecules that are key to the development, organization, growth and repair of the brain than the brains of people without the disease, or those with the bipolar form of depression, a new study finds. Read the whole article here: [url="http://www.biopsychiatry.com/depression/fibroblast-growthfactors.html"]http://www.biopsychiatry.com/depression/fi...wthfactors.html[/url] I thought this was an interesting article, and it certainly concurs with the train of thought that suggests some forms of depression originate as a biological disorder stemming from genetics. I agree that there are types of depression that can be aleviated by reconciliation with God. I also believe that there are too many things we don't understand about the human brain to dump all depression into the same bucket.
Socrates Posted March 3, 2006 Posted March 3, 2006 I'll admit I didn't read this whole thread, but I think the point should be that if we have proper faith and trust in God, and are right with Him, we will have a supernatural joy in our lives. This is not to say that we will always be in a cheerful mood, or never feel "down." Emotions can change, but if one is right with the Lord, trust in Him, and lives in charity towards God and neighbor, he will not go through life in a state of depression and self-pity, but have inner joy and peace. This peace and joy is what is seen in the saints, many of whom lived lives of complete poverty, suffered poor health, and often suffered much injustice from their fellow man. In today's materialistic and self-centered society, many are miserable and depressed. We turn to drugs and pills to fix all our problems. Recent decades have seen vast increases in the rate of depression, anxiety, and suicide. Has something drastically changed in human biology or brain chemistry? I think not. But our society has turned away from God, and grown ever more self-centered, materialistic, and sinful. God leads to true joy. Turning away from God leads to misery
loganrude Posted March 3, 2006 Posted March 3, 2006 ironmonk I have just a few questions... what are your favorite tv shows and what are your favorite bands? now to this subject matter. I would have to say I highly disagree with your orginal post that being unhappy means we are doing something wrong. I have been suffering from depression and anxiety badly for the last year and a half. I have been TRYING to be a holy person. I don't miss Mass, I try not to sin, and I try to lead others to Christ. However, I still feel unahppy a large portion on my life because I worry. you don't have to go start pulling up Bible verses on me telling me I shouldn't worry, cause I already know that, and I TRY not to. I have been seriously reconsidering my life for the last couple years now. I got rid of the majority of my Movies (kept wholesome one like rudy, remember the titans), I stopped listening to ALL of the secular bands I used to, and now only listen to Christian stuff. I have been TRYING. but i guess I must be failing like mad somewhere cause I'm unhappy? i hope not...
photosynthesis Posted March 3, 2006 Posted March 3, 2006 [quote name='Socrates' date='Mar 2 2006, 10:46 PM']I'll admit I didn't read this whole thread, but I think the point should be that if we have proper faith and trust in God, and are right with Him, we will have a supernatural joy in our lives. This is not to say that we will always be in a cheerful mood, or never feel "down." Emotions can change, but if one is right with the Lord, trust in Him, and lives in charity towards God and neighbor, he will not go through life in a state of depression and self-pity, but have inner joy and peace. This peace and joy is what is seen in the saints, many of whom lived lives of complete poverty, suffered poor health, and often suffered much injustice from their fellow man. In today's materialistic and self-centered society, many are miserable and depressed. We turn to drugs and pills to fix all our problems. Recent decades have seen vast increases in the rate of depression, anxiety, and suicide. Has something drastically changed in human biology or brain chemistry? I think not. But our society has turned away from God, and grown ever more self-centered, materialistic, and sinful. God leads to true joy. Turning away from God leads to misery [right][snapback]901988[/snapback][/right] [/quote] as far as the statistics go, I've read plenty of reports that say depression is on the rise. but I think that has a lot to do with the decrease in stigma towards people who suffer from it. There still is a lot of it out there, but people in general are more accepting of those with emotional problems than they were a hundred years ago. If I were a woman w/ depression 100 years ago, I'd be terrified of telling my family about it because I'd be afraid they'd send me to some weird sanatarium where they'd make me stay in bed for 6 months. Or worse! Then again, I still had that fear last semester and my family still has no idea. But i'm not the majority of people w/ issues. and i still am able to tell *someone,* even if it's not my family.
ironmonk Posted March 3, 2006 Author Posted March 3, 2006 [quote name='loganrude' date='Mar 3 2006, 12:07 AM']ironmonk I have just a few questions... what are your favorite tv shows and what are your favorite bands? now to this subject matter. I would have to say I highly disagree with your orginal post that being unhappy means we are doing something wrong. I have been suffering from depression and anxiety badly for the last year and a half. I have been TRYING to be a holy person. I don't miss Mass, I try not to sin, and I try to lead others to Christ. However, I still feel unahppy a large portion on my life because I worry. you don't have to go start pulling up Bible verses on me telling me I shouldn't worry, cause I already know that, and I TRY not to. I have been seriously reconsidering my life for the last couple years now. I got rid of the majority of my Movies (kept wholesome one like rudy, remember the titans), I stopped listening to ALL of the secular bands I used to, and now only listen to Christian stuff. I have been TRYING. but i guess I must be failing like mad somewhere cause I'm unhappy? i hope not... [right][snapback]902071[/snapback][/right] [/quote] TV shows: Stargate SG1 & Atlantis, EWTN's Fr. Copari, and a few others from EWTN. Scicene and history shows too, but they haven't had much on lately. Bands: none really. I like upbeat happy music that helps be happier. I mostly listen to the local Catholic radio station [url="http://www.SpiritFM905.com"]http://www.SpiritFM905.com[/url]. Some techno. When I was in high school it was heavy metal... Suicidal Tendancies, Slayer, Metallica, Anthrax, Megadeath, etc... Not so happy music. It does take time... and the fact that you are making a cognitive effort to change is the start to changing. There will always be ups and downs. As we grow older and wiser things will become easier. It took me a long time to change, but I surrounded myself (filled my eye) with possitive things. I would try to stop talking about negative things. I would help others more. I would take quotes from the Bible, Saints, and other wise quotes, put them on 3x5 inch cards and covered my wall with them. I would read a couple everytime I passed them and then meditate on what I read. We need retirement from the hassles of life and to meditate on how to serve God better because that is the meaning of life - to serve God. When our focus is elsewhere, something will always be off. If we do not get away from time to time to meditate, then happiness we will lack. I highly suggest reading "Way to Happiness" by Archbishop Fulton Sheen [url="http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0818907754/sr=8-1/qid=1141393451/ref=sr_1_1/102-7765036-1172158?%5Fencoding=UTF8"]Get it here[/url]... and Imitation of Christ by Thomas Kempis [url="http://www.catholic-pages.com/bookrack/amazon.asp?ISBN=038502861X"]Click Here for it.[/url] . People being unhappy is nothing new... the way to fix being unhappy is with bringing ourselves closer to God and changing our outlook on life... our point of view... The old cliche "is the glass half empty or half full" speaks volumes. Our attitude is up to us. It is not simple to change it, it takes work. Remember, nothing worth having is easy. It took me years to change, and sometimes I relapsed into saddness, but I knew it was up to me to fix what was wrong. We must examine ourselves and be honest with ourselves... we must be critical and decide what must be done to fix the problems. If we don't know, the answers are in Scripture, teaching of the Church, and writings of the Saints. Many people today get too much of what they want... it spoils us. We've been programmed by TV and the godless... it takes time to undo that programming. God Bless, ironmonk
cmotherofpirl Posted March 3, 2006 Posted March 3, 2006 Monk there is a big difference between feeling blue, feeling deprived, and clinical depression. Stop equating them because they are not the same thing. Changing your attitude does not cure clinical depression.
Brother Adam Posted March 3, 2006 Posted March 3, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Mar 3 2006, 07:54 AM']Monk there is a big difference between feeling blue, feeling deprived, and clinical depression. Stop equating them because they are not the same thing. Changing your attitude does not cure clinical depression. [right][snapback]902213[/snapback][/right] [/quote]
Lil Red Posted March 3, 2006 Posted March 3, 2006 so i guess you are not going to respond to the rest of phat's post?
ironmonk Posted March 3, 2006 Author Posted March 3, 2006 [quote name='Lil Red' date='Mar 3 2006, 12:01 PM']so i guess you are not going to respond to the rest of phat's post? [right][snapback]902349[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Everything he brings up has already been addressed.
ironmonk Posted March 3, 2006 Author Posted March 3, 2006 [quote name='cmotherofpirl' date='Mar 3 2006, 08:54 AM']Monk there is a big difference between feeling blue, feeling deprived, and clinical depression. Stop equating them because they are not the same thing. Changing your attitude does not cure clinical depression. [right][snapback]902213[/snapback][/right] [/quote] 1) We can control our own minds. We have the freewill to take control or be lazy and not do anything. It takes work to do this. Our society has grown lazy. 2) Happiness is a state of mind. 3) Life will have ups and downs, staying in the down part of it can be changed if people want to change it. 4) It is easier to blame a "disorder" than ourselves when we have the power to change it if we work at changing it. The blueprint for a happy life is in Scripture. Everyone can choose to follow it or try to draw in their own blueprint. Clinical depression is not biological. Chemicals in the brain are released by emotion... these same chemicals can and do influence more of the emotion that releases them... So it's a two edge sword. As we feel some emotions, like depression, anger, fear, etc.... the very chemicals that are release when we feel them cause the feelings to be stronger. We can, with a cognitive effort, take control of these emotions with time and hard work. A pill is not the solution.... Also, back to the main point of the original post... if everything seems to be going "great" but someone is still unhappy, then it's one of the two reasons why they are unhappy. What prompted this thread was someone I know has fallen into a powerful sin. Everything seems to be going right for them, but they can't figure out why they are not happy. They know what they are doing is a sin, but they are trying to make their own rules to live by. So this thread is "FOOD FOR THOUGHT". Human emotions are thousands of years old... the Church's teachings in Scripture is the blueprint to live by... live by them and be happy or don't and be unhappy. We have it so easy here in the USA. Also, people didn't get thrown into a mental institution for being depressed a 100 years ago. People where more faithful a hundred years ago. So what has been changing to cause this massive rise in "depression"... society... we live in a godless hedonistic society. Saints and people who had nothing material in the past did not suffer from depression and they were happy and content with what they had. They focused on God, not themselves. They helped family members and neighbors... helping others brings joy to us. Joy overcomes depression. To say that depression or clinical depression is for a fact caused by biology is wrong - because it is a theory. To say for a fact that it is not caused by biology is wrong because we do not know enough about the way the human mind works to say either way. I do not believe that it's biology because of simple reasoning, history, and the very words of Christ. Because I have conquered it and I know others who have too.
Jaime Posted March 3, 2006 Posted March 3, 2006 [quote]Clinical depression is not biological. Chemicals in the brain are released by emotion... these same chemicals can and do influence more of the emotion that releases them... So it's a two edge sword. As we feel some emotions, like depression, anger, fear, etc.... the very chemicals that are release when we feel them cause the feelings to be stronger. We can, with a cognitive effort, take control of these emotions with time and hard work. [/quote] Its clear you aren't reading what I and others are writing. Please go back and actually read the posts. Again you contradict yourself from one sentence to another. Clinical depression cannot both be "not biological" and a "two edged sword". There are many many cases where the root cause of depression can be examined and resolved. There are 2% of all cases that are quite simply chemical in nature. No amount of hard work is going to resolve it. Inferring that people who suffer depression are simply to lazy to change is, again, insulting and ignorant
Lil Red Posted March 3, 2006 Posted March 3, 2006 this thread seems to be going 'round and 'round and not getting anywhere. it's closed.
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