Private Revelation

[Era Might]

[quote name='Fides_et_Ratio' date='Mar 15 2006, 12:19 PM']lol..

but then you wouldn't even be offering "human faith" in the approval of the Church?
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Human faith is based on your own investigation of the facts, and your own exercise of the virtue of prudence.

Human faith is not obligatory, unless your conscience convicts you of it.

Divine faith, on the other hand, is obligatory, because it rests on the authority of the Church, not our own authority.

While one may disbelieve that an apparition is a true apparition, he must accept the Church's judgement that it conforms to the Church's faith and morals, whether it was a real apparition or not. This is the proper role of the Magisterium.

Like I said, all this is trivial. We've confused Brother Adam, the poor thing. The main point is that you don't have to believe in private revelations, but you should consider them with pious trust in the Church.

Edited March 15, 2006 by Era Might

[Brother Adam]

Actually, I'm glad this went to the debate table where more people read. You make a lot more sense than anyone else has been making, and so far I agree with you.

[Fides_et_Ratio]

Fair enough.

[thessalonian]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 15 2006, 10:33 AM'] . You make a lot more sense than anyone else has been making, [right][snapback]912419[/snapback][/right]
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[Era Might]

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='thessalonian' date='Mar 15 2006, 11:47 AM']
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no offense. But he is.

[HisChild]

[quote name='Era Might' date='Mar 15 2006, 09:41 AM']In Mother Angelica's biography, Fr. Groeschel comments on Mother's "visions" (for example, she claims to have seen St. Michael many times). He says that he doesn't think they're real apparitions, but they're not delusions either. They're part of a "pious imagination" that is rooted in the spiritual life. This accounts for a lot of the visions of the Saints, which often contradict one another. They aren't necessarily actual visits from the Lord or others, but moreso spiritual imagery.
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That's goofy. Excuse me, because I love both Fr Groeschel and Mother Angelica, and have met both in the past. . .but, while he is a priest, I don't know how he can claim to have authority to know whether her visions are pious imagination or if they really happened. In the end, all 'Authority' aside, she's the only one who knows if she really saw something external or if they were figments.

[Norseman82]

I think what it boils down to in "average Joe" terms is that a private revelation may be authentic, but it is not [i]binding[/i] on the Church as a whole unless the Church says it is.