Craftygrl06 Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 I was just wondering if anyone else heard the clip of hilary Clinton talking about a new bill that would allow the government to punish people who are "aiding and abeiting" illegal immagrants? I just wanted to get some reactions on it. Because I know Cardinal Mahooney said that he will encourage people to disobey this law. (or something to this effect, I'd like to know EXACTLY what was said, if anyone knows.) For those that didn't hear it, she made a comment about how this bill didn't match with Christian Values, and that if this bill was law in jesus' time it would have punished the good samaritian and probably Jesus himself.... Come on. Be realistic, Hil. This bill will not effect anyone who gives an illegal a glass of water, or drives them to the hospital. It's to prevent people from giving them places to live, and jobs.
nowak.chris Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 While it may not be targeted at those who do works of mercy, it could be brought to bear against them. It needs to be extremely clear where the line is for Catholic support. For once I may agree with the Cardinal. chris
toledo_jesus Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 from what I understood of the bill, it would require churches to give out forms for these people to sign before they could be given aid. That's the gov't sticking its nose where it doesn't belong. And you gotta think it would be a lot of Catholic Churches that would be affected, seeing as how most of the Mexican illegals would be Catholic.
kateri05 Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 this would be a HUGE infringements on the rights of the Church. She is obliged to provide the corporal and spiritual works of mercy REGARDLESS of immigration status. note the word MERCY
stbernardLT Posted March 24, 2006 Posted March 24, 2006 (edited) Seriously, can anything good come from a Clinton. Edited March 24, 2006 by stbernardLT
On Pilgrimage Posted March 25, 2006 Posted March 25, 2006 [quote]Come on. Be realistic, Hil. This bill will not effect anyone who gives an illegal a glass of water, or drives them to the hospital. It's to prevent people from giving them places to live, and jobs.[/quote] Places to live? So you're saying that illegal immigrants should be homeless? Isn't "sheltering the homeless" one of the corporal works of mercy? And how about a job? How are they supposed to feed themselves, their spouses, and their children without employment? I think we need to get past our partisan allegiances on this one -- and I would point out that President Bush himself does not support this bill -- and think a little more with the Church and a little less with the most conservative wing of the Republican Party.
God Conquers Posted March 25, 2006 Posted March 25, 2006 The right of the Church to give Sanctuary to those in need is an ancient one and should be non-negotiable. I just wish those Cardinals would speak as strongly about abortion and marriage.
Brother Adam Posted March 25, 2006 Posted March 25, 2006 [quote]Places to live? So you're saying that illegal immigrants should be homeless? Isn't "sheltering the homeless" one of the corporal works of mercy? And how about a job? How are they supposed to feed themselves, their spouses, and their children without employment?[/quote] It is rather that they are illegal, and do not belong in the US. They are breaking a law and committing a crime. There are legal ways to work in the US and become naturalized.
God Conquers Posted March 25, 2006 Posted March 25, 2006 Hey, at lejast your country is being flooded with Catholics. Up here we get nothing but Muslims and Hindus!!!
prodigalson Posted March 25, 2006 Posted March 25, 2006 I applaud the Cardinal if for nothing else than taking a role against american politics- he is one of very few who are Priestly more than political!
God the Father Posted March 25, 2006 Posted March 25, 2006 While we're at it we should press for greater legislation of video games, and outlaw games like grand theft auto. WAIT A MINUTE THAT'S NOT A GOOD IDEA?
toledo_jesus Posted March 25, 2006 Posted March 25, 2006 [quote name='prodigalson' date='Mar 25 2006, 04:27 PM']I applaud the Cardinal if for nothing else than taking a role against american politics- he is one of very few who are Priestly more than political! [right][snapback]922019[/snapback][/right] [/quote] I shall hold my tongue.
Cow of Shame Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 [quote name='God Conquers' date='Mar 25 2006, 04:26 PM']Hey, at lejast your country is being flooded with Catholics. Up here we get nothing but Muslims and Hindus!!! [right][snapback]922016[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Do the Muslims & Hindus bring gangs into the area like the "Catholics"?
MC Just Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 [quote name='stbernardLT' date='Mar 24 2006, 10:45 AM']Seriously, can anything good come from a Clinton. [right][snapback]920301[/snapback][/right] [/quote] no.
Aloysius Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 I am all for fighting illegal immigration, but that doesn't give the state authority over the Church like this. this is a law basically requiring the Church to enforce the state's laws. that is unconstitutional, and moreover it's absolutely immoral. to support this law is to support the subjegation of the Church to civil law and that would be heretical and immoral.
On Pilgrimage Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 [quote name='Brother Adam']It is rather that they are illegal, and do not belong in the US. They are breaking a law and committing a crime. There are legal ways to work in the US and become naturalized.[/quote] The fact that they are illegal doesn't mean that they can be deprived of basic human rights -- i.e., food, shelter, etc. Are you aware of the Church's social teaching and the stand that both the popes and the American bishops have taken on immigration? If so, why do you continue to think with the conservatives rather than with the Church?
Mateo el Feo Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Mar 25 2006, 06:05 PM']Do the Muslims & Hindus bring gangs into the area like the "Catholics"? [right][snapback]922199[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Actually, even if individual gang members may cross the border into the US, the Latin gang problem originated in the US, and was exported from the US to Latin America. And, last I checked, Latinos are not known to do things like flying airplanes into buildings, nor do they have long term goals of establishing sharia and subjugating non-Latinos.
kateri05 Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 [quote name='prodigalson' date='Mar 25 2006, 01:27 PM']I applaud the Cardinal if for nothing else than taking a role against american politics- he is one of very few who are Priestly more than political! [right][snapback]922019[/snapback][/right] [/quote] oh wait. was he serious? maybe he DIDN'T mean Cardinal Mahoney.....
God Conquers Posted March 26, 2006 Posted March 26, 2006 [quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Mar 25 2006, 05:05 PM']Do the Muslims & Hindus bring gangs into the area like the "Catholics"? [right][snapback]922199[/snapback][/right] [/quote] Yes. And their tattoos are WAY less cool.
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