Hilary Clinton on Jesus...

[MC Just]

hillary needs to shut her pie hole, she doesnt know Jesus, she's too busy persecuting him and his church.

[homeschoolmom]

[Jaime]

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March 23, 2006 Edition > Section:  New York

 

Clinton: Immigration Bill Would Make Jesus a Criminal

By DANIELA GERSON - Staff Reporter of the Sun
March 23, 2006


Accusing Republicans of betraying family values, Senator Clinton said a House immigration bill would turn "probably even Jesus himself" into a criminal.

A relative latecomer to the charged immigration debate, Mrs. Clinton yesterday spoke passionately to a gathering of a broad spectrum of New York's immigrant leaders. Her comments come amid a local groundswell of activity in preparation for a Senate vote Monday that is expected to determine the nature of immigration reform.

[/quote][quote]LOS ANGELES -- The Los Angeles Archdiocese will ignore a proposed federal law that would require churches to ask immigrants for residency documents before administering help, Cardinal Roger Mahony said Wednesday.

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"The church is not in a position of negotiating the spiritual and the corporal works of mercy," Mahony said during a Mass at the Cathedral of Our Lady of Angels marking the start of the 40-day season of Lent.

"We must be able to minister to people, regardless of how they got here," he said.

An immigration bill recently passed by the House of Representatives includes a provision requiring churches and other social organizations to ask immigrants for legal documentation before providing them assistance. Institutions that fail to comply could be penalized.[/quote]




[quote]hillary needs to shut her pie hole, she doesnt know Jesus, she's too busy persecuting him and his church.[/quote]


So when she actually espouses views that are in line with the Church, you're still going to trash her?

Nice

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[Brother Adam]

[quote name='On Pilgrimage' date='Mar 25 2006, 10:12 PM'][quote name='Brother Adam']It is rather that they are illegal, and do not belong in the US. They are breaking a law and committing a crime. There are legal ways to work in the US and become naturalized.[/quote]
The fact that they are illegal doesn't mean that they can be deprived of basic human rights -- i.e., food, shelter, etc. Are you aware of the Church's social teaching and the stand that both the popes and the American bishops have taken on immigration? If so, why do you continue to think with the conservatives rather than with the Church?
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I've read the book on social teaching young man (or woman). Sure, give them a piece of bread, a cup of water, and ship them back to whatever country they came from, and warn them that next time they had better come over through legal means, and then they are more than welcome to stay. Did you think that the Catholic Church only exists in America? You don't know what you are talking about.

[homeschoolmom]

[Brother Adam]

I'm crazy like that. I believe that a just days work deserves a just days wage and that hard working Americans should not have to pay, in the long term, for some elses illegal activity to clothe, feed, and shelter them, as well as give them free schooling, healthcare, and so on, when they work, do not pay any taxes, and send all the money they make into another country. I have a serious problem with that. I know I'm crazy to think that if they are going to be here we should know who they are, what they are doing, ensure that they are smuggling drugs or involved in other illegal activities like child sex trade, and for them to give a portion of their own wages, just like everyone else does, to the services that the government provides.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 26 2006, 10:18 AM']I've read the book on social teaching young man (or woman). Sure, give them a piece of bread, a cup of water, and [b]ship them back to whatever country they came from[/b], and warn them that next time they had better come over through legal means, and then they are more than welcome to stay. Did you think that the Catholic Church only exists in America? You don't know what you are talking about.
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Since when is the church charged with enforcing federal laws?

[Brother Adam]

[quote name='Sojourner' date='Mar 26 2006, 09:31 AM']Since when is the church charged with enforcing federal laws?
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I'm talking about the government of course.

[Jaime]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 26 2006, 09:33 AM']I'm talking about the government of course.
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and that's the problem with the proposed bill. If it becomes law, it requires the Church to do what you suggest or be charged with felony.

[Sojourner]

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 26 2006, 10:26 AM']I'm crazy like that. I believe that a just days work deserves a just days wage and that hard working Americans should not have to pay, in the long term, for some elses illegal activity to clothe, feed, and shelter them, as well as give them free schooling, healthcare, and so on, when they work, do not pay any taxes, and send all the money they make into another country. I have a serious problem with that. I know I'm crazy to think that if they are going to be here we should know who they are, what they are doing, ensure that they are smuggling drugs or involved in other illegal activities like child sex trade, and for them to give a portion of their own wages, just like everyone else does, to the services that the government provides.
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Adam, you don't know what you're talking about.

Many illegal immigrants DO work AND pay taxes. In fact, the Social Security Administration currently has more than $420 [b]billion[/b] in Social Security collected that can't be matched to a valid SSN. That's money by and large put there by people working under fake SSNs -- undocumented immigrants. If they're getting SS taken out of their checks, you can bet other taxes and Medicare are getting taken out too.

On top of that, I personally know of at least four businesses in Indianapolis OWNED by undocumented immigrants. The businesses are properly registered under state law, and the people are paying taxes for themselves and their employees to the IRS. Unsurprisingly, the IRS doesn't really care if you're legal or not -- they just want your money.

I agree that if there are immigrants here we should know who they are and where they're working and living. So, I support a total overhaul of the immigration program -- we need something that more realistically addresses the economic needs that immigrants are meeting and provides an avenue for immigrants to get here legally. The system is simply not set up to adequately provide the proper immigrant levels to meet the demand for labor that currently exists.

[MC Just]

[quote name='hot stuff' date='Mar 26 2006, 08:11 AM']So when she actually espouses views that are in line with the Church, you're still going to trash her?

Nice
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i just think she shouldnt be talking about God or religion her demoncrook party is too busy censoring and getting rid of the Church's influence on Society. Why are you defending her and such people, may I ask?

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[Theoketos]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Mar 26 2006, 09:55 AM']i just think she shouldnt be talking about God or religion her demoncrook party is too busy censoring and getting  rid of the Church's influence on Society. Why are you defending her and such people, may I ask?
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MC I love you like a brother and even share your political orientation, but that speech goes beyond being blunt (which is your style and vaild) and has become unchartiable.

This will not serve to change anyone's mind or heart. It will only agitate further uncharitable actions,

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It seems that there needs to be a solution that stops illigal and unjust immigration that does not punish those that serve the poor.

[MC Just]

[quote name='Theoketos' date='Mar 26 2006, 10:03 AM']MC I love you like a brother and even share your political orientation, but that speech goes beyond being blunt (which is your style and vaild) and has become unchartiable.

This will not server to change anyone's mind or heart.  It will only agitate further uncharitable actions,
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That's why i decided to stop debating with this person. I'll just go pray. I'm confused as to why there are some "catholics" on here defending pro-abortion democrats.

[Jaime]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Mar 26 2006, 10:55 AM']i just think she shouldnt be talking about God or religion her demoncrook party is too busy censoring and getting  rid of the Church's influence on Society. Why are you defending her and such people, may I ask?
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I'm not defending her. I'm not even a fan of Hillary. But if someone says something that [i] agrees with the Church [/i] what benefit does it serve to trash her for it? Shouldn't we support the actions of our politicians when they are in line with Church teachings? And conversely call them out when they are not? Isn't that a more charitable approach then condemning everything that comes out of someone's mouth just because you don't like them?

[Jaime]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Mar 26 2006, 11:05 AM']That's why i decided to stop debating with this person. I'll just go pray. I'm confused as to why there are some "catholics" on here defending pro-abortion democrats.
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And I don't appreciate the suggestion that I support pro-abortion democrats. That's waaaaaaaaaaaay out of line!

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Sojourner' date='Mar 26 2006, 11:41 AM']Many illegal immigrants DO work AND pay taxes. In fact, the Social Security Administration currently has more than $420 [b]billion[/b] in Social Security collected that can't be matched to a valid SSN.
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SWEEET! Give me some of that sponduli.

[On Pilgrimage]

[quote name='hot stuff']And I don't appreciate the suggestion that I support pro-abortion democrats. That's waaaaaaaaaaaay out of line![/quote]
Just ignore him. He never has anything to add that isn't out of line and insulting.

[RascalJones]

[quote name='stbernardLT' date='Mar 24 2006, 12:45 PM']Seriously, can anything good come from a Clinton.
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"So far", I haven't heard anything bad about their daughter. Perhaps she's distancing herself from her parents' agendas. (If so, good for her).

[Cow of Shame]

[quote name='Mateo el Feo' date='Mar 25 2006, 11:39 PM']And, last I checked, Latinos are not known to do things like flying airplanes into buildings, nor do they have long term goals of establishing sharia and subjugating non-Latinos.
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You make it sound like all Muslims have this bad habit...you know, eating stray dogs, hijacking planes....

Besides, Mexican's don't have that sort of agenda [i]yet[/i]. I think we'll soon be under their subjugation soon enough. Their plan is to flood our country with their kin and eventually do a hostile takeover ...wave after wave of them, pouring from the fields and orchards, armed with fresh, sunripened produce.

[quote name='Brother Adam' date='Mar 26 2006, 10:26 AM'] I know I'm crazy to think that if they are going to be here we should know who they are, what they are doing, ensure that they are smuggling drugs or involved in other illegal activities like child sex trade, and for them to give a portion of their own wages, just like everyone else does, to the services that the government provides.
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Now I'm confused. Are we talking about Mexicans, or Asians?

[quote name='On Pilgrimage' date='Mar 26 2006, 06:14 PM'][quote name='hot stuff']And I don't appreciate the suggestion that I support pro-abortion democrats. That's waaaaaaaaaaaay out of line![/quote]
Just ignore him. He never has anything to add that isn't out of line and insulting.
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Hey! It's my job to be out of line and insulting. Wouldn't you know it...you guys complain & complain about how the illegal immigrants are taking jobs away from good old Americans, and here you are....outsourcing to a Mexican right in front of my face!

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[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Mar 27 2006, 10:19 AM']You make it sound like all Muslims have this bad habit...you know, eating stray dogs, hijacking planes....[/quote]
No more than you made it sound like all Mexicans were in gangs. Was that your assertion? I was merely making a parallel with your comment.

Unfortunately, while only a few Muslims hijack planes, all too many Muslims dance in the streets to celebrate the accomplishments of their co-religionists against [i]dar al-harb[/i].

[quote name='Cow of Shame' date='Mar 27 2006, 10:19 AM']Besides, Mexican's don't have that sort of agenda [i]yet[/i].  I think we'll soon be under their subjugation soon enough.  Their plan is to flood our country with their kin and eventually do a hostile takeover ...wave after wave of them, pouring from the fields and orchards, armed with fresh, sunripened produce.
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While the establishment (i.e. imposition) of sharia is a stated goal of orthodox Islam, what are the Mexicans going to impose on us? Tejano music? Are they going to force us to watch their novelas? Maybe they'll do a make-over on the statue of liberty and turn Lady Liberty into Our Lady of Guadalupe? That's quite a contrast with the Muslim radicals' contribution to the NYC skyline.

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