A few things to clear up....

[J.R.D]

Growing up I was the last child, even if I was born last. Iv never had a single person hand me gratitude or even want to offer it through work. I grew up with 8 of my best freind friends, 7 of which are dead, 5 died in my arms. either gun shots or Over doses. My mom kicked me out when I was 12 and I didnt know my dad so I didnt go with him or anybody elses. I know what its like eating out garbages, be spit on, working all day in the sun and not wanting to eat cause sleep was your meal. Im 16 now, I live with my mom after I pleaded with her and now I live in the garage, that I fixed up to make it more sutable for living conditions. Iv been left parctically dead in the streets. I got jumped about 4-5 months ago and was left with 2 broken ribs black eye, and a broken noise. My freind also, with me, got jumped and left with torn off braces, broken ribs, black eyes, and broken noise. Before the people who jumped us left, they said "F****** Wet*****."

Iv never been through a war, and Im sorry your familys loss I truely am.

But I know what its like being a different race, in country where you will never be accepted.

and if you want more stories of my life IM me AIdiotJohn on AOL.

[avemaria40]

[quote name='J.R.D' date='Mar 31 2006, 07:42 PM']You see they want the Mexican Boys to join the Army or Maries, for that they want us. As I recall In Southlake, wealthy neighborhood here in tarranty county, Did not have one Recruiter at thier highschools, but they had every other school. Now why is that? But at Tremble Tech, Northside, Poly, Paschall, Lake Worth, Haltom High school and Castleberry high school. Every Branch of the military was there!
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Actually, I live in a very white, Irish-Italian, Roman Catholic (with strong minority of Protestants and Jews) wealthy, well educated town and we have military recruiters in our school all the time, and my friends who are interested in the service are white guys, not Mexican. So not everyone is stereotyping.

I am a white girl with only a little bit of Spanish blood from ancestors very far back and I was lucky enough to be born here. I will never know what it is like to suffer this way though I have seen a little bit. I have volunteered at Dorothy Day and at a clothing drive and have seen the suffering many immigrants go through. Granted, it was a very small view but you see these people who are suffering, who just want their children and wives to have warm clothes. People who can't afford to buy their children a gift for Christmas and have to have it donated instead if they are lucky enough to find one.

Yes, I believe we need to have our immigration laws, I respect and understand the need for them in order to keep our country safe. However, it is disgraceful how little justice these people receive. I've heard such sad stories, from a son being separated from his mother since he was born a citizen and she was illegal, to even a nursing mother pulled apart from her child and husband because she was not a citizen but her husband and child were and the country was not safe for them to send the child.

I think we also need to remember that the Holy Family had to live as immigrants as a reminder to be kind to them. Yes, there are drug dealers and terrorists but there are also those who are fleeing for their lives and their freedom, people who want their children to have better lives and go to school. It is not easy to learn someone else's language and scrimp and save just so you can have dinner that night, to face the stereotypes about that particular ethnic group they belong to. Can you fault someone for wanting to come here, to the land of opportunity even if they have to come illegally? Sometimes there is just no other way.

[Guest Rick777]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 31 2006, 04:45 PM']i guess this is the wrong thread to say this but.... The United States does not need to accept immigration. Frankly i think it needs to stop.
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Wow.....that was scary. Sounded a little KKK ish..lol

[J.R.D]

Those teens who were marching and were waveing that flag was because thats where thier cultures,belifes, and thats where thier family came from.

But as an american you should alreeady knew that. Say if you were in an other country for the same reason you also would be proud of where your culture, belifes and family came from.

In a mexican culture were taught to be as one.

I see many White Familys that are divided, and how do I know that? Because i see the familys of my freinds.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='Rick777' date='Mar 31 2006, 07:13 PM']Wow.....that was scary. Sounded a little KKK ish..lol
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you know that Catholics are not allowed to be in the KKK?

the KKK has harassed and killed hundreds of Catholics over the last 100 years.

btw i would never join such a hateful and disgusting group.


bieng anti-immigration is not the KKK at all.

[Guest Rick777]

Yah ur right but it did have that quality to it.

[J.R.D]

[quote name='avemaria40' date='Mar 31 2006, 06:10 PM']Actually, I live in a very white, Irish-Italian, Roman Catholic (with strong minority of Protestants and Jews)  wealthy, well educated town and we have military recruiters in our school all the time, and my friends who are interested in the service are white guys, not Mexican.  So not everyone is stereotyping.

I am a white girl with only a little bit of Spanish blood from ancestors very far back and I was lucky enough to be born here.  I will never know what it is like to suffer this way though I have seen a little bit.  I have volunteered at Dorothy Day and at a clothing drive and have seen the suffering many immigrants go through.  Granted, it was a very small view but you see these people who are suffering, who just want their children and wives to have warm clothes.  People who can't afford to buy their children a gift for Christmas and have to have it donated instead if they are lucky enough to find one. 

Yes, I believe we need to have  our immigration laws, I respect and understand the need for them in order to keep our country safe.  However, it is disgraceful how little justice these people receive.  I've heard such sad stories, from a son being separated from his mother since he was born a citizen and she was illegal, to even a nursing mother pulled apart from her child and husband because she was not a citizen but her husband and child were and the country was not safe for them to send the child. 

I think we also need to remember that the Holy Family had to live as immigrants as a reminder to be kind to them.    Yes, there are drug dealers and terrorists but there are also those who are fleeing for their lives and their freedom, people who want their children to have better lives and go to school.  It is not easy to learn someone else's language and scrimp and save just so you can have dinner that night, to face the stereotypes about that particular ethnic group they belong to. Can you fault someone for wanting to come here, to the land of opportunity even if they have to come illegally?  Sometimes there is just no other way.
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I totally agree. And the whole recruiting happens here in Texas alot. Thank you!

[avemaria40]

No prob

[J.R.D]

Extra ecclesiam nulla salus imagine if your forfathers had the same ignorant thought!

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

My Grandfather was in the Sevice and he is.....OMGosh AN IRSHMAN!!!!!!!!!!


RacisM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ash Wednesday]

All I have to say right now is:

[b]It's spelled IMMIGRANTS, for God's sake!!! Not IMMAGRANTS!!!!!! [/b]

Sorry. But that is driving me crazy. Carry on.

[Guest Rick777]

So would you have liked it if there was a law that said he couldn't come here.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='Rick777' date='Mar 31 2006, 07:19 PM']So would you have liked it if there was a law that said he couldn't come here.
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who?

[J.R.D]

That's not racism

It simply meant that if the US didnt let Immagrants in today YOU would not be here right now

[Guest Rick777]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 31 2006, 05:20 PM']who?
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Your irish grandfather.

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

so whats your point?


its getting a little crowded don't you think?

[Guest Rick777]

hah! You sound like those people who worry about overpopulation...

[J.R.D]

Well then maybe the US should send ALL immigrants Including the Ones who have already been here for a while, along with thier family. Since Crowded and all

[Extra ecclesiam nulla salus]

[quote name='Rick777' date='Mar 31 2006, 07:20 PM']Your irish grandfather.
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he was born here. his grandmother was forced to come here by her father and become an indentured servant.


its really about the future not about the past.


none of my family wanted to come to America. they had to becuase they were forced, or they had no money, or they were starving.

[Ora et Labora]

[quote name='Extra ecclesiam nulla salus' date='Mar 31 2006, 06:22 PM']so whats your point?
its getting a little crowded don't you think?
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whats getting a little crowded?!