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[MC Just]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Apr 14 2006, 04:43 AM']He must be the one rapping the Good News.  I wonder if he's a priest?
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actually i believe thats righteous b.

[MilesChristi]

[quote name='Apotheoun' date='Apr 14 2006, 05:49 PM']In all seriousness, the sooner that the liturgical nonsense affecting the Roman Rite ends the better, because as a Byzantine Catholic the liturgical turmoil presently occurring in some sections of the Latin Church makes it harder for me to reach out to the Eastern Orthodox, who happen to share with my particular Church (i.e., the Ruthenians) the same liturgical, spiritual, and doctrinal patrimony. 

Sadly, in the end I am often reduced to having to make excuses for the continuing disintegration of the Roman liturgy, which is not helpful when one is trying to bring others to a recognition of the importance of the primacy of the Pope.
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I share your prayer that this nonsense might soon end, and I understand the difficulties you face. If I were Orthodox, the state of the liturgy in many parts of the West would be a huge stumbling block to conversion.

[Theoketos]

[quote name='MC Just' date='Apr 15 2006, 12:57 AM']actually i believe thats righteous b.
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It looks like he was on the stage at time other then the Mass.


What a travesty.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Theoketos' date='Apr 15 2006, 01:14 PM']It looks like he was on the stage at time other then the Mass. 
What a travesty.
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oh, well I read their comments section from the website...someone made a comment about rapping the Gospels and I assume the worst.

[kateri05]

[quote name='OLAM Dad' date='Apr 14 2006, 03:53 AM']Everybody is standing so I guess if he is rapping one of the readings it would have to be the Gospel.  On the other hand, these people are so backwards they might sit for the Gospel. 
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wait wait. as much as i hate congress, let me explain this. righteous B was PERFORMING during the opening or closign rally. mass is separate (i swear!), but they use the same space. so hes NOT rapping a reading. righteous b would never do that.

[MC Just]

[quote name='kateri05' date='Apr 15 2006, 01:38 PM']wait wait.  as much as i hate congress, let me explain this.  righteous B was PERFORMING during the opening or closign rally.  mass is separate (i swear!), but they use the same space.  so hes NOT rapping a reading.  righteous b would never do that.
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That's good and refreshing to hear!.

[Myles Domini]

[quote name='Margarite' date='Apr 15 2006, 06:48 AM']Please forgive my child, she knows not what she says. 

I'm pretty sure she was referring to Fr. Salazar, Auxiary Bishop for Long Beach. We used to go to his parish for a while and indeed he is a great speaker and was always very nice. I don't remember which picture he was in, but I saw him.

We usually avoid anything that has to do with Mahoney, so she never hears anything about him......hummmm...Chris....we need to talk.

She'll come back a changed person, you'll see.
NOOOOOOOO!

I can't do it, I can't, I can't open her innocent eyes and show here the truth!........she'll be happier this way, ignorance is a bliss, right?
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Ignorance is never bliss.

[quote]Wisdom...be attentive!--Liturgy of St John Chrysostom[/quote]

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='Myles' date='Apr 15 2006, 06:42 PM']Ignorance is never bliss.
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sez yoo

[JP2Iloveyou]

Threads like these are why I don't post on Phatmass anymore. As bad as those abuses may have been, and I don't know since I wasn't there, some of you aren't doing much better! I simply cannot believe the audacity and arrogance that some so called "conservative", "traditional," and "orthodox" Catholics have! The fact of the matter is that our Church is hierarchical. That means that Cardinal Mahoney outranks all of us, unless anyone posting on this board happens to be a Cardinal or the Pope. Everyone who has criticized His Emminence on here is completely out of line. It must take a lot of nerve to go on an angry tirade on an internet message board about somebody. If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you take it up with him personally? If that doesn't work, take it up with CDW, but no one short of the Pope has the right to say some of the things I'm reading on here. You all may be right. Judging from the pictures, you probably are right, but that does not give you the right to publicly criticize a Prince of the Church. If the Vatican has a problem with this, let them deal with it. Perhaps they are, in private, as opposed to a public internet message board. So, before we go around criticizing others, especially a Cardinal, let us remember and take stock of the fact that it was the sin of pride that caused Lucifer to fall. Humility, humility, humility.

[toledo_jesus]

[quote name='JP2Iloveyou' date='Apr 17 2006, 02:22 AM']Threads like these are why I don't post on Phatmass anymore.  As bad as those abuses may have been, and I don't know since I wasn't there, some of you aren't doing much better!  I simply cannot believe the audacity and arrogance that some so called "conservative", "traditional," and "orthodox" Catholics have!  The fact of the matter is that our Church is hierarchical.  That means that Cardinal Mahoney outranks all of us, unless anyone posting on this board happens to be a Cardinal or the Pope.  Everyone who has criticized His Emminence on here is completely out of line.  It must take a lot of nerve to go on an angry tirade on an internet message board about somebody.  If you feel so strongly about it, why don't you take it up with him personally?  If that doesn't work, take it up with CDW, but no one short of the Pope has the right to say some of the things I'm reading on here.  You all may be right.  Judging from the pictures, you probably are right, but that does not give you the right to publicly criticize a Prince of the Church.  If the Vatican has a problem with this, let them deal with it.  Perhaps they are, in private, as opposed to a public internet message board.  So, before we go around criticizing others, especially a Cardinal, let us remember and take stock of the fact that it was the sin of pride that caused Lucifer to fall.  Humility, humility, humility.
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That attitude is sort of why priests who fooled around were able to get away with it. No offense, but they are somewhat accountable to us despite their position of leadership.
Here's the main problem with your statement. Precedent has been set with the Cardinal, he does not respond to questions about things like this with a dialogue. There is no option here. Don't you think the Vatican is well aware of what's going on? How many hundreds have written letters? The Cardinal is a Prince of the Church, you can't just demote him. He might be transferred, but then he might spread his damaging views to another place. Who really knows? Further, the collegiality of the Church is such that the pope may be entirely unwilling to tell this bishop how to run his own diocese.

It's not a sin to expect Catholicism from our leaders and to use our educated minds to point out when they flagrantly disgregard norms and legitimate practice.

His position came with some built-in respect, and things like this lessen it.

[amandaplus5]

[quote]That attitude is sort of why priests who fooled around were able to get away with it. No offense, but they are somewhat accountable to us despite their position of leadership.
Here's the main problem with your statement. Precedent has been set with the Cardinal, he does not respond to questions about things like this with a dialogue. There is no option here. Don't you think the Vatican is well aware of what's going on? How many hundreds have written letters? The Cardinal is a Prince of the Church, you can't just demote him. He might be transferred, but then he might spread his damaging views to another place. Who really knows? Further, the collegiality of the Church is such that the pope may be entirely unwilling to tell this bishop how to run his own diocese.

It's not a sin to expect Catholicism from our leaders and to use our educated minds to point out when they flagrantly disgregard norms and legitimate practice.

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Exactly.

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='toledo_jesus' date='Apr 17 2006, 07:13 AM']That attitude is sort of why priests who fooled around were able to get away with it.  No offense, but they are somewhat accountable to us despite their position of leadership.

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It's not a sin to expect Catholicism from our leaders and to use our educated minds to point out when they flagrantly disgregard norms and legitimate practice. 
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Great post. I think that your sentiments are layed out quite clearly in Redemptionis Sacramentum. Here are some clips (bolds are mine):
[quote][12.] On the contrary, it is the [b]right [/b]of all of Christ’s faithful that the Liturgy, and in particular the celebration of Holy Mass, should truly be as the Church wishes, according to her stipulations as prescribed in the liturgical books and in the other laws and norms. Likewise, the Catholic people have the right that the Sacrifice of the Holy Mass should be celebrated for them in an integral manner, according to the entire doctrine of the Church’s Magisterium. Finally, it is the Catholic community’s right that the celebration of the Most Holy Eucharist should be carried out for it in such a manner that it truly stands out as a sacrament of unity, to the exclusion of all blemishes and actions that might engender divisions and factions in the Church.

[24.] It is the [b]right [/b]of the Christian people themselves that their diocesan Bishop should take care to prevent the occurrence of abuses in ecclesiastical discipline, especially as regards the ministry of the word, the celebration of the sacraments and sacramentals, the worship of God and devotion to the Saints.

[57.] It is the [b]right [/b]of the community of Christ’s faithful that especially in the Sunday celebration there should customarily be true and suitable sacred music, and that there should always be an altar, vestments and sacred linens that are dignified, proper, and clean, in accordance with the norms.

[183.] In an altogether particular manner, let everyone do all that is in their power to ensure that the Most Holy Sacrament of the Eucharist will be protected from any and every irreverence or distortion and that all abuses be thoroughly corrected. This is a most serious duty incumbent upon each and every one, and all are bound to carry it out without any favouritism.

[184.] Any Catholic, whether Priest or Deacon or lay member of Christ’s faithful, has the [b]right [/b]to lodge a complaint regarding a liturgical abuse to the diocesan Bishop or the competent Ordinary equivalent to him in law, or to the Apostolic See on account of the primacy of the Roman Pontiff.[290] It is fitting, however, insofar as possible, that the report or complaint be submitted first to the diocesan Bishop. This is naturally to be done in truth and charity.

[186.] Let each one of the sacred ministers ask himself, even with severity, whether he has respected the [b]rights [/b]of the lay members of Christ’s faithful, who confidently entrust themselves and their children to him, relying on him to fulfill for the faithful those sacred functions that the Church intends to carry out in celebrating the sacred Liturgy at Christ’s command.  For each one should always remember that he is a servant of the Sacred Liturgy.[/quote]
It is the Church (specifically, the CDW) that tells us that laymen have a right to play an active role in removing abuses from the liturgy.

[qfnol31]

Huh, so we kinda do have a right to say how the Mass is, I guess.

This is good news for me.

[Church Punk]

LA is the city of actors. I believe the Greek word for actors is Hypocrites.