ironmonk Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 You fail to see the understanding of "right". Nothing "right" is wrong. If someone who claims to be on the right does something wrong... then what they did is not right, but wrong. "Right" means a "right way" instead of "wrong way". The "right" is truth... The Catholic Church is "right"... it has not and never can be "left" because "left" is wrong. The GOP is not completely right, there are leftists in it, who pollute it. There are few rights in the Dems, most are leftists. "Right" does not mean "conservative"... "conservative" does not mean "right". There are many conservatives who are mostly right. "left" does not mean "liberal"... "liberal" does not mean left. There are many right people who are liberal on certain topics... "Liberal" is to desire change. "Conservative" is to keep the status quo. "Right" is never wrong. "Left" is always wrong. "Conservative"/"Liberal" can be both right and wrong(aka left) at times. God's way is the right way to be. Read the wisdom in the Scriptures repeatedly and think about what is written. Get wise and think with sound reason. Focus on what true Catholic priorities are... IN ORDER: First and foremost: LIFE - Save the unborn... this trumps everything else. Second: FAMILY LIFE - Save marriage and be against all same sex unions... this trumps Social Justice and Global Solidarity. Third: SOCIAL JUSTICE - Help the poor who cannot help themselves... This is does not mean help people who refuse to work... This trumps Global Soldarity. Fourth: GLOBAL SOLIDARITY - We are all brothers and sisters... One Human Race... Everything not mentioned above is trumped by this. This is the Right Way... because the Church teaches what God commands... God is who determines right from wrong. God is always right.
chris Posted June 14, 2006 Posted June 14, 2006 Try not to take any thing here personally. At the moment this a fragile issue for our country. Everyone has issues, idea, conspiracy theories on how it is connected and how it isnt connected. I have mine and you have yours. The idea is to remain silent about them until the proper situation arises to bring forth your ideas. Another catalyst is also how you portray your ideas. What you did was good, you asked instead of jabbing the idea out. You also gave proof but: [quote]CNN, ABC, NBC, Newsweek, Time-Warner, etc. have all been critics of Bush. They do not even come close to printing the pulp that the sources you use do though. The articles you link us to are poorly written and are even more poorly researched. Stick with reputable sources, and maybe somebody will listen.[/quote] You knew coming into this, that there would be radical views and not so a radical view. I have heard from very reiliable sources that have made me question alot of stuff also. Sometimes the logic to complex to contemplate. However, that doesnt mean we should give up. Here is my point: If it was all a farce, what can we do about it? Secoundly, if it is, nothing will happen. Why? How? Because it's always quaint that they never find out that the president did it until he is out of office. This same thing happen with the Lewinski scandel and Clinton. Watching movies that critisize it is good to make us thing and see. But, it also scares us into a theory and a mindset of trying to change something we can't at the moment. to end this thread I give all my condolences to those who have loved ones serving or have lost one in this infernal war. I hate war.
Desert Walker Posted June 14, 2006 Author Posted June 14, 2006 Since you posted all that I'll reply one last time. Look IM I don't disagree with you about what's right and what's wrong. But from now on I take my values from the teachings of the Church and I see how the political rhetoric lines up with them. It is my opinion that, currently, BOTH US political parties are under the direction of people who believe in something completely opposed to Church teachings. Thus, I trust NEITHER party. So I have begun looking at those whom everyone has labeled "nuts." I figure they've got a better idea of what's going on in this country since people from BOTH sides of aisle think they are insane. Go ahead disagree with my logic. But I'm sticking to it. Oh and btw, I've found these nutcases a bit more in agreement with the Church on ALL of her teachings than ANY democrat or Republican I've ever had the pleasure or displeasure of listening to. And they exhibit REAL compassion. Not the phony carp that most of our presidents display to my utter digust. See ya on another topic. And lose the unwavering political affiliations. Loyalty is only a virtue when it is given to the right people. Right now the Pope seems like one of the only honest leaders on earth. He has my UNDYING loyalty. The President... well, my loyalty to him has died and I've buried it forever. He started an avoidable war. That's soemthing everyone can agree on. And that's hard for me to gloss over. Peace. [quote name='Convert4888' post='1005598' date='Jun 14 2006, 12:03 PM'] Try not to take any thing here personally. At the moment this a fragile issue for our country. Everyone has issues, idea, conspiracy theories on how it is connected and how it isnt connected. I have mine and you have yours. The idea is to remain silent about them until the proper situation arises to bring forth your ideas. Another catalyst is also how you portray your ideas. What you did was good, you asked instead of jabbing the idea out. You also gave proof but: You knew coming into this, that there would be radical views and not so a radical view. I have heard from very reiliable sources that have made me question alot of stuff also. Sometimes the logic to complex to contemplate. However, that doesnt mean we should give up. Here is my point: If it was all a farce, what can we do about it? Secoundly, if it is, nothing will happen. Why? How? Because it's always quaint that they never find out that the president did it until he is out of office. This same thing happen with the Lewinski scandel and Clinton. Watching movies that critisize it is good to make us thing and see. But, it also scares us into a theory and a mindset of trying to change something we can't at the moment. to end this thread I give all my condolences to those who have loved ones serving or have lost one in this infernal war. I hate war. [/quote] I ditto that whole post! Awesome. Great points. My only worry is that something is about to change that is irreversible. And it won't be healthy for America. And it will come from those we thought we could trust.
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