I have the right to go the speed limit.

[qfnol31]

We've had some discussions on the speed limit before, but now I'm standing up for my rights.

I have the right to go no more than the speed limit, no matter how angry it makes you following me.

I have the right to move into the left lane without cutting you off to pass someone at my own pace without having to speed up to pass a slow driver.

Those are my rights, so why do you deny them to me?








I hope someone catches the irony. Anyone actually disagree with this? : If no one does, we can argue about why Catholics are bound to normally follow the speed limit.

[God the Father]

[quote name='qfnol31' post='1020680' date='Jul 9 2006, 07:38 PM']
I hope someone catches the irony.
[/quote]

I didn't.

[Era Might]

I generally go a little bit over the speed limit, but only 5 or 10 miles on the highway. If everyone around me is driving crazy, though, I'll go as fast as I have to to stay clear of them. Better safe than sorry.

[JP2Iloveyou]

I don`t think we should have a speed limit. How dare the government impose their morality on me!

[Jaime]

[quote name='qfnol31' post='1020680' date='Jul 9 2006, 06:38 PM']
We've had some discussions on the speed limit before, but now I'm standing up for my rights.

I have the right to go no more than the speed limit, no matter how angry it makes you following me.

I have the right to move into the left lane without cutting you off to pass someone at my own pace without having to speed up to pass a slow driver.

Those are my rights, so why do you deny them to me?
I hope someone catches the irony. Anyone actually disagree with this? : If no one does, we can argue about why Catholics are bound to normally follow the speed limit.
[/quote]


Just stay out of the passing lane grandma

[pyranima]

[quote name='JP2Iloveyou' post='1020745' date='Jul 9 2006, 07:25 PM']
I don`t think we should have a speed limit. How dare the government impose their morality on me!
[/quote]
Ya how dare them!

actually the law is writen so that if everyone is going faster than the speed limit you have to do the same or you can cause an accident.

[indescribable]

um, i was having a rough time finding my way back to work after a TEC formation today... i was 30 minutes late, almost drove right into the next state, and ... went atleast 30 miles over the speed limit. and i was having a slight panic attack. after i calmed down i gave thanks to God for not letting me hurt myself or others!

[KnightofChrist]

[quote name='qfnol31' post='1020680' date='Jul 9 2006, 05:38 PM']
We've had some discussions on the speed limit before, but now I'm standing up for my rights.

I have the right to go no more than the speed limit, no matter how angry it makes you following me.

I have the right to move into the left lane without cutting you off to pass someone at my own pace without having to speed up to pass a slow driver.

Those are my rights, so why do you deny them to me?
I hope someone catches the irony. Anyone actually disagree with this? : If no one does, we can argue about why Catholics are bound to normally follow the speed limit.
[/quote]


Thing is [color="#FF0000"]you do not have the "right" to drive at all[/color] it is a privilege. Funny isnt? We pay for the car we drive its taxes the gas that goes in that car and the gas taxes, and we pay for the road in taxes, and we pay for the police pay checks in taxes and the Judges. And most importantly we vote for and pay in taxes the Lawmakers which gives us the privilege to drive, who we give the privilege to govern.

Tell me what right does a goverment have to give any privileges, when it has no rights at all, but only the privilege from the people to govern? Answer NONE

[Sojourner]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1020804' date='Jul 10 2006, 12:11 AM']
Just stay out of the passing lane grandma
[/quote]
Exactly.

[Jesuspaidtheprice]

[quote name='qfnol31' post='1020680' date='Jul 9 2006, 07:38 PM']
We've had some discussions on the speed limit before, but now I'm standing up for my rights.

I have the right to go no more than the speed limit, no matter how angry it makes you following me.

I have the right to move into the left lane without cutting you off to pass someone at my own pace without having to speed up to pass a slow driver.

Those are my rights, so why do you deny them to me?
I hope someone catches the irony. Anyone actually disagree with this? : If no one does, we can argue about why Catholics are bound to normally follow the speed limit.
[/quote]

So would the Catholic Church say that committing a civil offense is a sin? If so, it seems that some Catholics take a very lax view of sin.

[Colleen]

Though I admittedly speed at times (not much), I can't come up with a moral argument to go over the speed limit all the time.

[Era Might]

No, it's not necessarily a sin to commit a civil crime. Speeding, though, is generally a matter of public safety, so wildly flaunting the speed limit could be a sin; not because the government has set a speed limit, but because you are endangering the welfare of other drivers.

[Colleen]

[quote name='hot stuff' post='1020804' date='Jul 9 2006, 11:11 PM']
Just stay out of the passing lane grandma
[/quote]
What's really sad is when you're going 10 over and you get passed up by a little old lady and a little old man.

[Jesuspaidtheprice]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1021102' date='Jul 10 2006, 11:59 AM']
No, it's not necessarily a sin to commit a civil crime. Speeding, though, is generally a matter of public safety, so wildly flaunting the speed limit could be a sin; not because the government has set a speed limit, but because you are endangering the welfare of other drivers.
[/quote]

Do the scriptures not tell us to obey government authorities so long as doing so does not lead to sin? Aren't speed limits set because driving at a greater speed could endanger yourself or others?

[Era Might]

[quote name='Jesuspaidtheprice' post='1021122' date='Jul 10 2006, 12:12 PM']Do the scriptures not tell us to obey government authorities so long as doing so does not lead to sin? Aren't speed limits set because driving at a greater speed could endanger yourself or others?[/quote]

Going 5 or 10 miles over the speed limit on the highway generally doesn't endanger anyone; in fact, everyone's probably breezing by you.

There are, of course, some laws that are grave, and require obedience, at least in substance. There are many administrative laws that you don't necessarily have to follow the letter to the tee, but it is enough to follow the spirit. A ban on gambling, for example. If you have a friendly 5 dollar bet with a friend over a football game, even though all gambling is illegal, it's no big deal and no sin. If you're running a gambling casino in your basement, that's another matter. Letter vs. Spirit.

[Jesuspaidtheprice]

[quote name='Era Might' post='1021131' date='Jul 10 2006, 12:20 PM']
Going 5 or 10 miles over the speed limit on the highway generally doesn't endanger anyone; in fact, everyone's probably breezing by you.

There are, of course, some laws that are grave, and require obedience, at least in substance. There are many administrative laws that you don't necessarily have to follow the letter to the tee, but it is enough to follow the spirit. A ban on gambling, for example. If you have a friendly 5 dollar bet with a friend over a football game, even though all gambling is illegal, it's no big deal and no sin. If you're running a gambling casino in your basement, that's another matter. Letter vs. Spirit.
[/quote]

So if one person jumps off a bridge, that means you have to also? Again, how do you know you are not increasing the risk of a serious or fatal accident by driving above the speed limit on various streets and highways? I'm not a traffic engineer, but I would wonder about a correlation between serious accidents and speeding.

[Era Might]

I don't go over the speed limit because everyone else is doing it, I go over the speed limit because it's generally pretty low (55). Going 60-65 is not a big deal, and it does not put me or anyone else in danger. If it did, I wouldn't do it. Driving on residential streets is a different matter. I do not go above the speed limit, and generally, go a few miles slower.

[scardella]

The funny thing is that the safe speed (independent of any laws) of a vehicle on a given stretch of road is dependent on
1. Driver ability
2. Raw dynamic capabilities of the car in question (given its current tire wear, etc.)
3. Environmental conditions (dry, cold, hot, sleet, snow, rain, wind, hail, day, night)
4. Likelihood of obstacles (potholes, bumps, small children)
5. Topography (curvy, straight, hilly, flat)
6. Speed of other cars, each of which depend on 1-5
7. Traffic density

For instance, on a lonely straight stretch of interstate on a bright and warm sunday afternoon, it would be safe (at least theoretically) for Michael Schumacher (F1 driver) to drive over 100 miles an hour in a Ferrari F430. However, if he was on bald tires, he wouldn't be going over 60, despite everything else.

However, for a 16 year old who just got his license, (assuming his parents are rich) he probably wouldn't be safe at any speed in a Ferrari. He'd probably be fine driving 60-70 in an A4 2.0T quattro (again, assuming rich parents).

As for me, I'd venture that in my Nissan Sentra, I'd be safe at around 90-95 given those conditions. The law caters to the lowest common denominator.

Edited July 10, 2006 by scardella

[Sojourner]

I wonder if a cop would buy that line of reasoning as an excuse?

[scardella]

[quote name='Sojourner' post='1021273' date='Jul 10 2006, 02:22 PM']
I wonder if a cop would buy that line of reasoning as an excuse?


[/quote]

Perhaps if you were Danica Patrick, Michael Schumacher, Kimi Raikkonen, Mario/Michael/Marco Andretti, Al Unser Jr., Dale Earnhardt Jr, Jeff Gordon, or some other pro, then, maybe.

The stupid thing is that cops target sports car and tuner drivers over sedans/econoboxes. If a Porche Boxter and a Dodge Caravan were both going 90 in a 55, and the cop could only pull one over, he'd likely pull over the Boxter over the Caravan, despite that the Caravan in this situation is much more dangerous.

Edited July 10, 2006 by scardella