Satanism

[pyranima]

i posted this in another thread but thought those who did not read the other thread might find this of interest.

Wicca became offical in the 50's but it started in the 1920's, the title came along later though. you are right to say that it stems from crowley. Wicca came about because Crowley was TOO Pagan (he believed in human {infant} sacrafice), i have a spell of his for asteral projection that includes parts of an infant(no i never tried it). those who chose wicca thought crowley was too brutal. Lavey as a reaction to Crowleys form of magic founded the Satanic Church in 1966, while Crowley believed in human sacrafice Laveys source of magic Relied on Sex and Orgasms. Masturbation is a common theme at Laveyist black masses, normally the "alter" consists of a naked woman who symbolizes lilith Queen of Hell the Satanic Priest Fornicates with her to complete the petition to the four Princes of hell (Leviathan Beliel Lucifer and Satan {also the names of the four books in the Satanic bible}) along with whatever other specific Demons he has petitioned.

Lavey Hijacked many of his ideas from Freud Nietzsche Bertrand, and Crowley. His believed very much in applied pyscology.

well that is just a little intersting tid bit.

[Laudate_Dominum]

freaky

[iheartjp2]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1023506' date='Jul 13 2006, 04:02 AM']
freaky
[/quote]

yea

[Budge]

La Vey was a carnival huckster. He definitely chose evil...but he is the posterboy for the teenage Satanist wannabes who hold seances in the woods. if you want to see real Satanism in action read Alice Bailey and research Lucis Trust.

One thing Catholics ignore is how the Bible warns about Satanists and agents of Satan appearing as angel of light or "ministers of righteousness"

By the way all the interfaith garbage now being taught...Alice Bailey loved it also. She wrote this...

I posted against the "unity of all religions" description of this site on google, so all of this is very interesting..how folks here support this very same idea...

Alice Bailey shilling for the antichrist.
[quote][size=5]
Today, slowly, the concept of a world religion and the need for its emergence are widely desired and worked for. The fusion of faiths is now a field for discussion. Workers in the field of religion will formulate the universal platform of the new world religion. It is a work of loving synthesis and will emphasize the unity and the fellowship of the spirit. This group is, in a pronounced sense, a [159] channel for the activities of the Christ, the world Teacher. The platform of the new world religion will be built by many groups, working under the inspiration of the Christ. see note (1)[/size][/quote]


The Lucis Trust finances every interfaith group out there.

[url="http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=Lucis+Trust+and+interfaith&btnG=Google+Search"]TO GET YOU STARTED[/url]

Edited July 13, 2006 by Budge

[Semperviva]

I have read that Satanism is the fastest growing religion in Italy. quite popular there.

[this thread reminds me of Bless the Child, apart from the computer graphics of satan, i thought it was a well done movie]

[Lahecil]

I resent that you chose to use the term "Wicca" to describe something that is MOST un-Wiccan.

The person often attributed with forming Wicca, or rather bringing it to light, is Gerald B. Gardner. Crowley met with Gardner on one documented occasion where they discussed the occult. I cannot be more clear when I say that Wicca and Satanism are very different. Surely then there cannot be too much of an influence. Crowley's most popular belief was that "Do as ye wilt shall be the whole of the law." The Wiccan Rede, written first by Doreen Valiente (an initiate of Gardner's) is a long poem, best summed up in the 8 word version: "An ye harm none, do as ye will." These are VERY different things.

[Budge]

[quote]
I resent that you chose to use the term "Wicca" to describe something that is MOST un-Wiccan.

The person often attributed with forming Wicca, or rather bringing it to light, is Gerald B. Gardner. Crowley met with Gardner on one documented occasion where they discussed the occult. I cannot be more clear when I say that Wicca and Satanism are very different. Surely then there cannot be too much of an influence. Crowley's most popular belief was that "Do as ye wilt shall be the whole of the law." The Wiccan Rede, written first by Doreen Valiente (an initiate of Gardner's) is a long poem, best summed up in the 8 word version: "An ye harm none, do as ye will." These are VERY different things.[/quote]

I am an ex-UU, UUs dabble in everything from Theosophy to Humanism to Wiccanism and I dabbled in all three, even concurrently.

So ive studied Wicca, I know witches believe for themselves that Wiccanism is not Satanic. Sure there are some differences between pagan camps...but all the core POWER comes from Satan for the working of magic. There are other non-Gardner Wiccan groups as well.

Many Wiccans do study Crowley, and so do Theosophists, in my Theosophist magazines there were constant articles on Crowley and the Golden Dawn.

Most Witches are appalled by satanists, I remember that, but then Witches are fooled by the idea of WHITE MAGIC as OPPOSED TO BLACK, when they all come from the same source. Your understanding of Wiccanism will not match my own. I have repented of these things and now stand up for what God teaches regarding witchcraft, that it is an abomination, any kind!

By the way are you a witch? You said elsewhere you were Catholic, but I haven known people who combine both Wiccan and Catholicism, I am witnessing now IRl to a self-professed Wiccan-Catholic.

I notice you get a long quite well with the Catholics here. I have been on enough Catholic boards to know it is usually Christians standing to one side and Catholics, joining with every other group to denounce what the Christian is teaching.




[quote]I have read that Satanism is the fastest growing religion in Italy. quite popular there.[/quote]

Now why is that in the VERY BACKYARD of the Vatican?

It seems by the way the Catholics talk here, Italy would be the worlds most holy country when really it is one of the most corrupt...

Read the book... Dark Heart of Italy...

[Justified Saint]

Well Budge, you have got us now. No use in trying to fool you anymore, you are just too smart. Lahecil is a Catholic AND a Wiccan, so let's face is this must mean that all Catholics are Catholic-Pagan-Wiccan-Satanist-Universalist-Pantheist Devil worshippers (what did I miss?)

I don't spend enough time in cyberspace to make the kind of judgements you do, though I think I have met people like you in real life.

[pyranima]

Wicca does stem from Satanism any research into the two can see the clear links. LaVey is the poster boy of Satanic teen males because of his stand on sex. that is the most attractive part of his theology

[Budge]

[quote]Lahecil is a Catholic AND a Wiccan, so let's face is this must mean that all Catholics are Catholic-Pagan-Wiccan-Satanist-Universalist-Pantheist Devil worshippers (what did I miss?)[/quote]

Why are you offended by me asking this question?

I asked her if she WAS...

Actually it is interesting you are more angry at me for asking then even wanting to attempt to deal with her error if she is in fact a Catholic-Wiccan.

[Justified Saint]

Who said I was angry? Just trying to get past your sophistry which is a matter of struggle, not anger.

And I don't assume that she is a Catholic-Wiccan like you (the very point of your position is that the words are nearly interchangeable so no use in asking the question).

[pyranima]

[quote name='Budge' post='1023639' date='Jul 13 2006, 09:54 AM']
Why are you offended by me asking this question?

I asked her if she WAS...

Actually it is interesting you are more angry at me for asking then even wanting to attempt to deal with her error if she is in fact a Catholic-Wiccan.


[/quote] nonsense, you cannot be a Wiccan and a Pagan "no man can serve two masters"


you cannot server God and Satan

[homeschoolmom]

[quote name='Laudate_Dominum' post='1023506' date='Jul 13 2006, 05:02 AM']
freaky
[/quote]
no doubt.

[Groo the Wanderer]

[quote name='Justified Saint' post='1023634' date='Jul 13 2006, 10:48 AM']
Well Budge, you have got us now. No use in trying to fool you anymore, you are just too smart. Lahecil is a Catholic AND a Wiccan, so let's face is this must mean that all Catholics are Catholic-Pagan-Wiccan-Satanist-Universalist-Pantheist Devil worshippers (what did I miss?)

I don't spend enough time in cyberspace to make the kind of judgements you do, though I think I have met people like you in real life.
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Ye missed liberal commie pantywaste....

[misereremi]

[quote name='Budge' post='1023624' date='Jul 13 2006, 04:38 PM']
Now why is that in the VERY BACKYARD of the Vatican?

It seems by the way the Catholics talk here, Italy would be the worlds most holy country when really it is one of the most corrupt...

Read the book... Dark Heart of Italy...
[/quote]
Simply because the devil despises the holy Catholic Church, and wherever there is great good the devil wants to destroy it. When you are Catholic the supernatural and the natural world are very real, you don't even have to read about it. I have witnessed dark and awful things growing up in Italy. Many of my close friends became real satanists (as opposed to trendy ones trying to make a statement against the religion of their great-grandparents). A few were exorcised eventually but one did die in it. (R.I.P) Demons tremble at the sight of the cross and are tortured by exorcists. They hate our Church and can never be a part of it, although they try to infiltrate all the time.

The dark societies trying to unify the world’s religions and corrupt our Church will never ever succeed.

“et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam”, from Matthew 16:18. Now that's something worth reading.

[Budge]

[quote]
Simply because the devil despises the holy Catholic Church, and wherever there is great good the devil wants to destroy it. When you are Catholic the supernatural and the natural world are very real, you don't even have to read about it. I have witnessed dark and awful things growing up in Italy. Many of my close friends became real satanists (as opposed to trendy ones trying to make a statement against the religion of their great-grandparents). A few were exorcised eventually but one did die in it. (R.I.P) Demons tremble at the sight of the cross and are tortured by exorcists. They hate our Church and can never be a part of it, although they try to infiltrate all the time.

The dark societies trying to unify the world’s religions and corrupt our Church will never ever succeed.

“et portae inferi non praevalebunt adversum eam”, from Matthew 16:18. Now that's something worth reading.[/quote]

Jesus never taught the more evil a church, the more "true" and "good" it is.

He taught us to judge by the fruits.

[size=5]Mat 7:16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [/size]

You basically are SAYING THE COMPLETE OPPOSITE OF what Jesus taught.




[quote]The dark societies trying to unify the world’s religions [/quote]

Youre kidding right...

Your POPE is working HARD to unify the world's religions...

[size=5]I got a message for Lahecil..[/size]

Youre playing with fire dear and stuff youre too young to be messing with and that definitely will lead you into the grasp of Satan and his demons.

[quote]Crowley was TOO Pagan (he believed in human {infant} sacrafice), i have a spell of his for asteral projection that includes parts of an infant(no i never tried it). those who chose wicca thought crowley was too brutal.[/quote]

I found this on your site.

[url="http://myspace.com/lahecil"]http://myspace.com/lahecil[/url]

None of your pals here have any discernment to warn you that messing with witchcraft is wrong and even the WHITE variety leads right to the doorstep of Satan. That Crowley LITE is evil as well..which is what youre trying to push right on your website.

They are too busy being politically correct and playing at interreligious diaglogue to tell you the truth...

It is not too late to repent.

By the way I knew you were into stuff, just from reading your posts here.

Edited July 13, 2006 by Budge

[Dave]

Budge, apparently you forget that Jesus told His apostles (and thus all His Church) that if they were hated, the world hated Him first. Satan and the world hate the Catholic Church!

And look at the good fruits the Catholic Church has wrought over the past 2000 years -- so many saints and martyrs and leading people to Christ! And don't cite all these statistics about pedophile priests, heresy, etc. Jesus said the weeds and the wheat would coexist until the end of time. You apparently think that if there's even just one weed then it's proof of the Church's "bad fruits." The Church is holy; that doesn't mean every single member will be.

As for the pope trying to unify the world's religions, he's trying to bring all the world to Christ and His Church. And THEN all people will be truly one body in Christ -- true unity.

You have been corrected on these things many times already. You must be happy believing false things about God and His Church rather than knowing the truth. That's your prerogative. But mark my words -- on Judgment Day, when you appear before the Lord, and he confronts you about your insistence on believing and spreading lies about Him and His Church, you won't be able to plead ignorance!

[misereremi]

[quote name='Budge' post='1023773' date='Jul 13 2006, 09:26 PM']
Youre kidding right...

Your POPE is working HARD to unify the world's religions...
[/quote]
Maybe one day you will become a Catholic. Preghero' per te.

[Jaime]

[quote name='pyranima' post='1023648' date='Jul 13 2006, 11:06 AM']
nonsense, you cannot be a Wiccan and a Pagan "no man can serve two masters"
you cannot server God and Satan
[/quote]

I think you meant you cannot be a Catholic and a pagan (or wiccan)

Wiccans are pagans.

Just on typo alert today!!

[Lahecil]

Woah, hey now...I'm not Catholic, just Wiccan. I joined the boards because the person I've chosen to spend my life with is Catholic and I respect him and am interested in his beliefs. So I'm here to learn.

Let me first make it VERY clear that I am not proselytizing for Wicca, as such a thing is against my own beliefs and is strictly taboo in the Wiccan society.

Point number one: Wicca is considered a pagan religion.
Point number two: I don't do very many spells, but I'm sure I can understand their workings better than you Budge, no offense meant there, as I have felt and experienced the energy coursing through me. And I've been successful in a variety of spells, ranging from healing to prosperity. I can also assure you that there is no such thing as "White" and "Black" Magick (I use the "k" to distinguish what I practice from stage magic, an idea which was, yes, implemented by Crowley). There is merely energy that can be used for different ends. As I've said, all Wiccans are bound by the Rede, and don't harm others, particularly through magick. Most Wiccans believe in karma, and some the Three-fold rule. Please note this makes sure that I don't sacrifice any infants in rituals, not only because I feel it is wrong, but because I'd hate to reap the bad karma from killing a defenseless baby for no reason other than to further power.
Point number three: Budge, I know what I'm dealing with. I realize I'm only 16, I do. I also realize I haven't had much time to read books, explore religions, and debate different theologies. I was embraced by the God and Goddess even while being raised Christian...I was always Wiccan. I can't "repent" when I haven't done anything wrong.
Point number four: My myspace buddies create a very wide cross-section of religions. I've got quite a few Wiccans, Christians, Jews, atheists...you name it. If we all began trying to convert one another, think of what a mess it would be!
Pont number five: You can't have a conversation about Wicca without bringing up Gardner, and I'm the only one who mentioned him so far. Sure, Crowley played a big part in bringing modern occult to light...but Gardner set the stage for what Wicca is today.

If you want me to start throwing quotes around, I will. But it won't mean a thing if no one's listening.

I don't really mind if anyone here thinks I'm worshipping Satan, I don't mind being told what Catholicism is all about either (even from you Budge), no matter how directed at converting me it is. I still intend on practicing my religion in peace. It's also a bit flattering to see how much everyone here cares about my eternal soul. Just know that I will also defend my religion to the death. I would also defend your right to speak freely about your's.

I may only be 16, but God has spoken to me, and both she and he have blessed me.

I'm terribly sorry if this post upsets anyone. There's no malice intended here, and I don't mean to incite any anger either.