good catholics

[Norseman82]

From what I understand, there have been laws against fornication in many states (I don't have them at hand and they may be rare and not enforced), at least for underage people, so I don't see this as a bad idea.

[musturde]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1038120' date='Aug 5 2006, 09:48 AM']
From what I understand, there have been laws against fornication in many states (I don't have them at hand and they may be rare and not enforced), at least for underage people, so I don't see this as a bad idea.
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except about 80 percent of the population would be in jail...

[Era Might]

[quote]Oh yes i am so sorry, i see you are right. Lets teach our Kids that there is no temporal punishment for sin God will deal with it.[/quote]
Yes, that's right. The government is not in the business of handing out temporal punishment for private vice. We all have vice, and that is between me and my Priest, not the government.

[quote] am i the only one who is aware that until recent times Adultry was a Crime?[/quote]
Why is that relevant? Alcohol was once a criminal product in this country. Here in Massachusetts, we still have laws that reflect the utopian strictness of the Puritans. This idea that private vice has to be punished is not Catholic.

[quote]my point, we have a responsiblity.[/quote]
No, we don't. The government has no business in private vice. This is not a fascist state. People fall. People sin. The holiest people on this earth fall every day, and it has NEVER been a Catholic answer to criminalize private vice. Not even in the age of Christendom were people arrested for private vice.

The government is in the business of the common good. The reason why things like pornography are restricted is because they involve the public good. If someone wants to make pornography in the privacy of their home, God will judge them. But when they bring that into society, then the government has to protect its citizens.

When almighty God caught a woman in adultery, he didn't hand her over to the Romans or the rulers of Israel. He counseled her appropriately: as a pastor. And if the authorities had come to arrest her, he would have denounced them on the spot.

"Has anyone here condemned you? Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more."

That is the appropriate response to private vice.

Edited August 5, 2006 by Era Might

[Era Might]

By the way, St. Catherine of Siena discusses this in her "Dialogue" with God the Father:

[quote]The old law was the law of fear, that was given by Me to Moses, by which law they who committed sin suffered the penalty of it. The new law is the law of love, given by the Word of My only-begotten Son, and is founded in love alone. ...Through love was taken away the imperfection of the fear of the penalty, and the perfection of holy fear remained. ...That is, [b]he who offended was no longer punished suddenly[/b], [b]as was of old given and ordained in the law of Moses[/b].

There is therefore no need for servile fear, and this does not mean that sin is not punished, but [b]that the punishment is reserved[/b], unless, that is to say, the person punish himself in this life with perfect contrition. For, in the other life, the soul is separated from the body, whereas while man lives is his time for mercy.[/quote]

[Norseman82]

[quote name='musturde' post='1038138' date='Aug 5 2006, 10:29 AM']
except about 80 percent of the population would be in jail...
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Suits me fine....a lot less traffic on the road!!!!!


Plus it would make it easier for virgins to find other virgins to be equally yoked to....

[MissScripture]

[quote name='Norseman82' post='1038120' date='Aug 5 2006, 09:48 AM']
From what I understand, there have been laws against fornication in many states (I don't have them at hand and they may be rare and not enforced), at least for underage people, so I don't see this as a bad idea.
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I'm pretty sure that in ND there are co-habitation laws, but I doubt they're enforced.

[missionseeker]

[quote name='Budge' post='1038091' date='Aug 5 2006, 08:53 AM']
The marriage of state and church has always been a bad idea. Roman Catholicism has definitely shown that.


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I think the Puritans did a better job of proving it.

[EcceNovaFacioOmni]

[quote name='Budge' post='1038116' date='Aug 5 2006, 10:40 AM']
Force was the name of the game during the Inquisitions.
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The bad actions of a local court have no bearing on actual Church teaching.

[Lahecil]

There are laws against cohabitation in Florida, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, North Dakota, Virginia and West Virginia. Arizona and New Mexico decriminalized cohabitation in 2001. ( [url="http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/News-About-Us/Anti-cohabitation.htm"]http://www.unmarriedamerica.org/News-About...ohabitation.htm[/url] )

Era-

[Budge]

Youre right the Puritans got it wrong.
[quote]
No, we don't. The government has no business in private vice. This is not a fascist state. People fall. People sin. The holiest people on this earth fall every day, and it has NEVER been a Catholic answer to criminalize private vice. Not even in the age of Christendom were people arrested for private vice.[/quote]

I agree with most of what youre saying in your thread...but Catholicism DID have people arrested for religious beliefs which mroe then qualifies as a PRIVATE VICE.
[quote]
When almighty God caught a woman in adultery, he didn't hand her over to the Romans or the rulers of Israel. He counseled her appropriately: as a pastor. And if the authorities had come to arrest her, he would have denounced them on the spot.[/quote]

Agree with you here.

[pyranima]

[quote name='Budge' post='1038116' date='Aug 5 2006, 08:40 AM']
Force was the name of the game during the Inquisitions.
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yes it was and lets not forget about the Protestant Inquisitions. how many did Calvin kill? and Henery?

the question is who teaches the proper doctrine not anything else. and lets not forget (considering i'm Native American) how many Natives the Protestants killed. i believe we were "unfit to live"

and i do think that $3 for my ear is rather fair price don't you think?