One Core Difference Between Christians and Catholics

[Mateo el Feo]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1040315' date='Aug 9 2006, 03:48 PM']
uhhhhhhhh, nooooo.....

Go reread it. Paul TAUGHT Christ, used the unknown god to illustrate the true God.

JPII actually REALLY SAID that voodoo was a perfectly acceptable path to salvation. He was standing there, and in a fashion, rejected the exclusivity of Christ, over and over, and did NOT preach the Gospel of salvation, as Paul did.[/quote]Could you provide me the quote where John Paul II "REALLY SAID that voodoo was a perfectly acceptable path to salvation"?

While you're looking for your quote, here's a real quote from JPII for you([url="http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/encyclicals/documents/hf_jp-ii_enc_04031979_redemptor-hominis_en.html"]link[/url]):
[quote name='Redemptor Hominis (The Redeemer of Man)' date=' March 4, 1979']Our spirit is set in one direction, the only direction for our intellect, will and heart is-towards Christ our Redeemer, towards Christ, the Redeemer of man. [b]We wish to look towards him-because there is salvation in no one else but him, the Son of God[/b]- repeating what Peter said: "Lord, to whom shall we go? You have the words of eternal life"[/quote]

[mortify]

[quote name='Eutychus' post='1040252' date='Aug 9 2006, 11:48 AM']

Silly, just silly.

The ARTIST is God, the ARTIST wrote a book. The ARTIST tells us what it means.
[/quote]

Yes, He tells us through the Church, not your ego.

[Dave]

Another thing, Budge ...

Catholics ARE Christians! They're the first Christians!

[Anomaly]

[quote name='Justified Saint' post='1040143' date='Aug 9 2006, 08:05 AM']
Anomaly,

Sola Scriptura defintely exists -- its one of the pillars of Protestantism.[/quote]It does not exist. In theory it exists, but in reality it doesn't exist, there wouldn't be all the denominations.

[ReinnieR]

you have no idea what the catholic church is and what the catholic church believes. how can you possibly know the difference between PROTESTANT and Catholic.

[Era Might]

[quote]First of all you must understand this, that [b]no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one's own interpretation[/b], because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.

--2Peter 1:20-21[/quote]
[quote]I hope to come to you soon, but I am writing these instructions to you so that, if I am delayed, you may know how one ought to behave in [b]the household of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and bulwark of the truth[/b].

--1Timothy 3:14-15[/quote]
[quote][b]If he refuses to listen even to the church[/b], let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector.

--Matthew 18:17[/quote]
[quote]So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, "Do you understand what you are reading?" And he said, "[b]How can I, unless some one guides me[/b]?" And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.

--Acts 8:30-31[/quote]

[ReinnieR]

and please quote your sources.

where does it say in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that the church is superior to scriptures??

quote an encyclical or even a council.

heck even quote a saint.

i assure you, you wont find any.

[mariahLVzJP2]

silly Budge, Catholics ARE Christians.
a reference for you... from the Dictionary: Catholic= Christian

Edited August 10, 2006 by mariahLVzJP2

[pyranima]

Catholics are Christains they were the first Christains

[2xbob]

[quote name='pyranima' post='1040744' date='Aug 10 2006, 02:25 AM']
Catholics are Christains they were the first Christains
[/quote]

Indeed, it would be rather odd to have the original be the fake.

[Norseman82]

Budge,

Don't you mean the difference between Christians and Protestants?

[Budge]

Only those who have trusted JESUS CHRIST ALONE for their salvation and are born again are Christians.

Since Rome does not teach that one must be born again, and teaches reliance on other things for salvation, most Catholics are not Christians. Yes there is the rare one who does see the truth, but they usually will end up departing with time.

[quote]where does it say in the Catechism of the Catholic Church that the church is superior to scriptures??[/quote]

Rome declares that God's Word cannot stand on its own without its Tradition and Magisterium.

That is definitely saying that the church is superior to scriptures.
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95 "It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God, [u]sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others.[/u] Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls."[/font]

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1040872' date='Aug 10 2006, 11:35 AM']
Only those who have trusted JESUS CHRIST ALONE for their salvation and are born again are Christians.

Since Rome does not teach that one must be born again, and teaches reliance on other things for salvation, most Catholics are not Christians. Yes there is the rare one who does see the truth, but they usually will end up departing with time.
Rome declares that God's Word cannot stand on its own without its Tradition and Magisterium.

That is definitely saying that the church is superior to scriptures.
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95 "It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God, [u]sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others.[/u] Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls."[/font]
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1. The Catholic Church DOES teach that you must be born again. It's called Baptism. That's why Jesus answer to Nicodemus involves Baptism.

2. The Bible states that an interpreter of the Bible is needed. The eunuch needed one. God didn't just send Him someone who could read Hebrew, as if it was as simple as reading the text and having it smack you in the head; God sent an apostle, someone who had been given his authority by Jesus Christ Himself. Those apostles clearly do not hand on their authority to everyone, either, they hand it on to those they ordain. Therefore, the Magisterium is needed. Also since the things written in Scripture were written after having been passed on a while, the Scriptures arose from Tradition (see my previous post). Therefore, Scripture would not stand without Tradition and the Magisterium.

[Budge]

[quote]1. The Catholic Church DOES teach that you must be born again. It's called Baptism. That's why Jesus answer to Nicodemus involves Baptism.[/quote]

This is one of Roman Catholicism's biggest deceptions, that a little baby can be baptized and automatically born again. Catholics do not understand that being born again means coming to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. {how many little baptized babies grow up to christ-rejecters and atheists?} There is no life change, no new creature in Christ. Even Madilyn O'Hare--famous atheist- was baptized as an infant.

Baptism does not make one born again.

[Thy Geekdom Come]

[quote name='Budge' post='1040881' date='Aug 10 2006, 11:48 AM']
This is one of Roman Catholicism's biggest deceptions, that a little baby can be baptized and automatically born again. Catholics do not understand that being born again means coming to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. {how many little baptized babies grow up to christ-rejecters and atheists?} There is no life change, no new creature in Christ. Even Madilyn O'Hare--famous atheist- was baptized as an infant.

Baptism does not make one born again.
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Even adult converts fall away. That's the fault of bad catechesis, not of Baptism.

Would you say that a baby doesn't have a personal relationship with its mother? They are two persons, who have a relationship, and that relationship is based on their interpersonal communion. Either you admit that infants are capable of personal relationships or you say that infants aren't persons. Now, granted, infants can't reason and will like adults, but they are none the less persons, and their personal relationships exist, even if they do not have the capacity to operate on a higher plane.

[Justified Saint]

[quote name='Budge' post='1040881' date='Aug 10 2006, 07:48 AM']
This is one of Roman Catholicism's biggest deceptions, that a little baby can be baptized and automatically born again. Catholics do not understand that being born again means coming to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. {how many little baptized babies grow up to christ-rejecters and atheists?} There is no life change, no new creature in Christ. Even Madilyn O'Hare--famous atheist- was baptized as an infant.

Baptism does not make one born again.
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Baptism is rebirth, but "born again" does not mean OSAS as you presuppose.

[avemaria40]

Except Jesus said you must be born again of water and the Spirit. There is no mention of coming to have a personal relationship with Jesus as the requirement for being born again. That comes afterward. And where does it say babies are to be left out of the New Covenant? They were required in the Old Covenant (circumcision) and afterwards, where in the Bible does it say for adults only? Nowhere! Jesus said, let the little children come to me for such belongs to the kingdom of heaven, and He also said whoever believes and is baptized is saved. Therefore, babies are to be baptized.

"Repent and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ so that your sins may be forgiven...For the promis is for you, [b]for your children[/b] and for all who are far away, everyone whom the Lord our God calls to Him" Acts 2:38-39

[Era Might]

[quote]Baptism [b]now saves you[/b], not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

--1Peter 3:21[/quote]

[Budge]

The problem here is you folks believe it is the baptism that makes on born again when it is not.

Throughout the Bible, baptism always FOLLOWED salvation.

There is NOT one infant in the entire Bible being baptized.

Newborn infants cannot repent, believe or confess their sins.

[font="Lucida Console"]Act 8:12 [u]But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ,[/u] they were baptized, both men and women.[/font]

I was baptized when I was nine days old, as a catholic, I was NOT born again whatsoever. I did not know God in my heart, and was only taught the false doctrines of Catholicism which were not life changing. I know that later when I was born again, that Jesus Christ changed my life and I became a new creature in Christ.

[avemaria40]

Old Covenant entrance: circumcision (practiced on infants, but first practiced on an adult)
New Covenant entrance: baptism (replaces circumcision, first practiced on adults, then babies)
Jesus wanted little children in the Kingdom of Heaven, He also said you had to be baptized. All it takes is putting 2 and 2 together.