thessalonian Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 [mod]merged double thread and edited multiple posts--ice princess[/mod] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 15, 2006 Author Share Posted August 15, 2006 A recent story on our local news has bothered me. For most of a week there were daily stories on a man who had killed some puppies. Now apparently he didn't pick the best place to do it and there were several witnesses. But night after night the news has run the story about how this man is being hunted as an outlaw. One night at least a dozen police officers had a grove of trees surrounded. He was not there. Now don't get me wrong I am a dog lover and am not in favor of excessive cruelty to animals but when I brought up in front of my son how this seeming to me, overcoverage of this incident bothered me, he said "well how would you like to be killed". That's just the point that bothers me. Dogs are not people and it seems like society is elevating them to that point. They don't have a soul according to Aquinas. Ignatius tells us that excessive attachment to them is sinful. Yes we are to love all of God's creation and not abuse or misuse it but common. I killed a litter of kittens one time. Please don't report me. They had to go. (Of course cats are kinda of different story . Is something gone awry here? Another sign of societies inability to think rightly on such matters and waste a bunch of money and time in the process going after a dreaded dog killer? Discuss Thess Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarcisius Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I know what your talking about. What bothers me the most is when couples who choose not to have children or only a few make up for it by having all these pets that they treat better than there fellow man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 I am very much against animal cruelty and was at one point a card carrying member of a humane society. However, I know many people who would do so much for animals but have no problem with killing unborn babies That's a huge problem in society, when animals are considered humans but babies, elderly, disabled, prisoners, and the sick are considered less than human and it's considered a duty to kill them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 15, 2006 Author Share Posted August 15, 2006 (edited) Yes. There ya go! That's the problem. Hairdressers, manicure's, and designer jeans for fido and fifi. It's nutz. Avemaria But should the state police force and the national gaurd be called out on someone who killed some puppies? I am exaggerating but not by much. Edited August 15, 2006 by thessalonian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anomaly Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 (edited) A typical lack of perspective. Everyone is ticked that 1,000 soldiers a year are killed in Iraq because there is debate about the validity of the reasons to topple a homocidal dictator. As published in the American Medical Journal, in 2000, 'Actual Causes of Death in the US', [url="http://www.csdp.org/research/1238.pdf"]LINK [/url]43,000 people died in vehicle crashes, 20,000 from sexual behavior (Aids & Other diseases), and 17,000 from illicit drug use. 20 times more people in the US die each year by chosing to make love, not war. Kewl. Edited August 15, 2006 by Anomaly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IcePrincessKRS Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 My 2 cents... so long as he wasn't cruel about it and attempted to find the puppies homes before he killed them (provided they weren't sickly or something) then I'd say its probably not sinful. As to the media coverage and massive police hunt--definately overboard. Don't they have bigger criminals to catch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avemaria40 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 [quote name='thessalonian' post='1044084' date='Aug 15 2006, 12:42 PM'] Yes. There ya go! That's the problem. Hairdressers, manicure's, and designer jeans for fido and fifi. It's nutz. Avemaria But should the state police force and the national gaurd be called out on someone who killed some puppies? I am exaggerating but not by much. [/quote] No, the punishment should fit the crime. If they were drowned (b/c they were too many and there was no one to take care of them), maybe have him do community service? If they were tortured, have him do some time. But the state police and national guard is way too much. Save them for terrorists, kidnappers, mass murderers, rapists, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norseman82 Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 On the other side of the coin, cruelty to animals often leads to cruelty to humans. That is why alarms are raised when children are cruel to animals. [quote name='Tarcisius' post='1044076' date='Aug 15 2006, 11:31 AM'] I know what your talking about. What bothers me the most is when couples who choose not to have children or only a few make up for it by having all these pets that they treat better than there fellow man. [/quote] That's partially our own fault for devaluing traditional families and pushing "the single vocation" and telling people that if they want something to nuture they should get a pet. I kid you not, I actually heard this a few years ago at a Theology on Tap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahecil Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 Did he kill the animals himself, violently, without an attempt to find a home? If he didn't do all of that, I think he should be put away. Life is life. It shouldn't be taken without a darn good reason. What about the other things that are getting killed though? Trees are living, sure they may not be animated, but we couldn't live without them, and they're killed by the billions, for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thessalonian Posted August 15, 2006 Author Share Posted August 15, 2006 [quote] Life is life.[/quote] In the words of my favorite apologist, james akin, "That's nutz". Dogs are not people to. I am not against having animal cruelty laws but let's not get carried away. Animals do not have a soul and they were created for mans proper use. To abuse them is a sin but let's not put it on the same level as killing a human. It's not even close. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahecil Posted August 15, 2006 Share Posted August 15, 2006 [quote]In the words of my favorite apologist, james akin, "That's nutz". Dogs are not people to. I am not against having animal cruelty laws but let's not get carried away. Animals do not have a soul and they were created for mans proper use. To abuse them is a sin but let's not put it on the same level as killing a human. It's not even close.[/quote] I disagree. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarcisius Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 why Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lahecil Posted August 16, 2006 Share Posted August 16, 2006 [quote]why[/quote] Because I believe in all life having souls. I believe that animals and humans are equal in terms of living (albeit, not in terms of intelligence, where we dominate, and instinct, where the animals win out). And finally, I believe in the Wiccan rede, "an ye harm none, do as ye will." Though since that is an impossible rule for humans, I prefer the slightly modified, "An ye harm none, do as ye will. An ye harm some, do as ye must." That's why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franimus Posted August 17, 2006 Share Posted August 17, 2006 [quote name='Lahecil' post='1044760' date='Aug 16 2006, 04:22 PM'] Because I believe in all life having souls. I believe that animals and humans are equal in terms of living (albeit, not in terms of intelligence, where we dominate, and instinct, where the animals win out). And finally, I believe in the Wiccan rede, "an ye harm none, do as ye will." Though since that is an impossible rule for humans, I prefer the slightly modified, "An ye harm none, do as ye will. An ye harm some, do as ye must." That's why. [/quote] because you're not Catholic, then... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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